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We all wish that Mikko was still in an Avs jersey, but business is business. McFarland had to make a tough decision and I believe that he, along with Sakic and the rest of the front office are making plans for the long term.
It's a risk. Only time will tell if this was a good deal. Mikko was my favorite player, so I feel really conflicted and it feels odd watching this team play now. Business is business, but I root for the players, not the logo and office. If winning a cup and being one of the top point scorers for many years in a row doesnt buy you loyalty, I don't know what does. Unless he was actually asking for something like 14-15 million.
$1M AAV is really like 100-200k b/c someone else gets reassigned. I like ROR at 4.5M
C-Mac has addressed this exact question before. He said he will absolutely discuss players they are considering with the players who know them. For example he did ask MacK about Drouin before they signed him. He talked to Miles Wood about both Wedgewood and Blackwood. That part is just due diligence to make sure a new guy will fit in the locker room. He said he does not discuss any actual moves with them for all of the reasons that you mentioned. It puts the player in an uncomfortable situation while things are in negotiations, it creates tension in the room, and is an unnecessary distraction.
I think the part that might be up for discussion is did C-Mac go talk to the team leadership about things and what all went down? I'm sure he has by now, but that trade was not finalized until almost 11pm Eastern time with a game at 1pm the next day. There wasn't any time for him to have those talks before the team played and faced the media. I'm sure those discussions have taken place now and everyone knows what they need to know about it.
You guys are exactly correct, in your discussion – Nate had no business knowing, in advance, that Mikko was going to be traded. There is no "good" outcome to him knowing. Even if Nate wanted to be the captain and wanted to be more involved with the team and management discussions – he, still, has no business in being consulted on an outgoing trade like this. Potential incoming trade targets – absolutely a good idea to chat to him, get an idea of how players view another player that you might want to bring in. Outgoing players – nope, never.
A truly nice episode Guys! Lots of valid points on a difficult subject. Kudos.
One point though, what about talking to Mikko directly? I guess it's forbidden and everything has to go through the agent.
Things spun out of control.
The agent was complacent after the Leon D. deal and here we are…
In a fairy tale world, Mikko would fire the guy and came back to Denver. I known, you are welcome to call me a fool 😉
PS. I want Brandon Saad for $1mil! Unless… unless, we need these money + Landeskog's LTIR salary to bring Crosby in.
For me it’s simple. If you consult players on guys going out, it is no longer a pure business decision.
Asking them about guys you’re looking at and who have history with them is different, that’s doing your due diligence.
23:13 We better wake up by the end of Feb otherwise we are missing the playoffs
I think that after Necas has hit 100 points Mikko will be a distant warm memory for your fanbase.
Sakic and CMac had to get something for Mikko when they realized a new deal wasn't getting done. The Avs offered to make Mikko the highest paid winger (for now), and it wasn't enough…
The new guys fill obvious holes in the line up. Since the trade, Necas has 4 points and Drury has 2 points. By contrast, Mikko has 1 point and looks lost in Carolina. This story is far from over and it will be interesting to see if/when Mikko signs an extension (and for how much).
Love the pod guys. Keep up the great content!
Before watching no. Why distract a player. Tough decisions have no good or bad time to discuss. He's a professional and will adapt. Emotions will be there, and that's a part of life. Having cap space for a top 4 defender is what we need. As for landeskog, use the ltir and activate in playoffs if he's ready. It's not going to make much difference vs. activating weeks before and would be more detrimental to do so losing cap flexibility. The notion that fans are making of getting rid of rantennan to make room for landeskog is stupid. He hasnt played for 3 years.
Business is business? Really? You trade away a top 5 forward because you are stingy about $2 M? But you pay an under average Mittelstadt over $5M and Girard $5M. That would be funny if it is not so sad that an incompetent GM traded away the chances to win a cup again for the years to come. Pathetic! I am so fond with this 🖕 GM. Sakic will act when it will be too late.
They could become….The Abominables…
On the human side, Nate and Mikko are pretty good friends. What a way to potentially damage a strong bond and friendship if it came out that Nate knew and Mikko didn't. No one wants to be in that position.
No disrespect here, but if you're someone who thinks that CMAC should have asked or spoken with McKinnon about this before doing the trade, you are clueless.
A.) It is not the responsibility of management to get permission from their players to make moves. They are going to do whatever they see fit if it means a net positive for the team in the long run. This is especially true if they are moving somebody out.
B.) In this specific example, why would you put MacKinnon in that position by talking to him about trading his best friend? Bringing him into this would not only not benefit anybody but it would screw with his head space and put him in a difficult spot in his friendship with Mikko. It's a conflict of interest.
And as to Vargars comment, the idea that management should run their moves by our top three guys is absurd. At that point you're saying that they basically run the ship and management is just along for the ride which creates a huge conflict of interest in the locker room and a terrible power dynamic. It would be idiotic for any organization in professional sports to run their locker room that way.
I think the leadership rules are communication, curiosity, openness and feedback. This was not used when making a decision on Trading players. Especially in Mikko situation. Leadership is all about the money Mikko was willing to take a pay cut to be with the Avs but people that make decisions are not for you they are for themselves.
I'm looking at this as a rebuilding year, I just don't see a cup in Ball arena this year truthfully. Putting it all together, it seems this should be the year for Edmonton. I would actually root for them to win it , they deserve it.
I tend to think it would have been a good idea to give Nate (and the rest of team leadership) a heads up once it was done. Not asking him if he thought it was a good idea, but a little pre-news bomb clarity in advance might have softened the blow. I don’t believe CMac did that and you could tell via the locker room vibes the next day. Tough tough situation, and everyone seemed so bummed and blindsided. (Also, it’s unfair to Necas and Drury to have to come in and assimilate in a locker room and fan base that are feeling and sad, because they’re good pieces and the emotional blow of losing Mikko isn’t their fault—I felt a little bad for them.)
Now that Utah can't be the Yeti, the Avs need to rub salt in the wound by scraping their current crap thirds and making a new one with the Foot as the primary logo.
MacKinnon should have known Mikko was a lock to be traded the moment he signed his $12.6 million per year contract. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be able to do simple math.
I would assume they already knew what MacK thought about it. Nobody on that team likely wanted to trade him.
It sounds like the Nucks were close to sending EP for Necas. They probably didn’t have a lot of time to see how everyone felt about losing their elite teammate.
People be missing sakic as gm😢