Comment le Minnesota, l’État du hockey, peut-il perdre une équipe de hockey professionnelle? Ce documentaire rédige ensemble ce qui a incité les Minnesota North Stars à déménager au Texas en 1993 grâce à des interviews avec d’anciens joueurs, des employés de l’équipe et des fans.
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It happened when Colorado got Quebec after they failed with the Rockies, and ripped my heart out when my Whale went and won the Cup in Carolina
People forget, a few years later we almost lost the Twins to North Carolina, only failure to get a stadium deal kept Pohlad from selling the team.
If people want to crucify Norm Green for moving the North Stars, why do they seem to give George and Gordon Gund a free pass when they also tried to move the team?
This is a wonderful documentary. As a kid living in Northern California, the North Stars were my favorite hockey team and watched them play whenever they're on national TV. Even tho San Jose became a new NHL team, I still love the North Stars. I was so sad when the team left Minnesota to Dallas. Also, knowing that the landscape of the NHL was starting to change in a huge way.
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Unpopular opinion; the team was not supported. They drew poorly and couldn’t compete with high school hockey. I’ll never feel about the Wild how I felt about the North Stars but it was probably the right move.
I’m glad it happened the way it did other wise I wouldn’t have my Dallas stars.
Another thing how lame is the current uniform though wish they would go back to the gen 2 jerseys of 97-07
Once at a game at the Met, I went to the bathroom to take a leak. I come out and Norm Green is talking to my wife. When I come up, he leaves. I asked my wife, "What did he want?" She said, "He invited me to his box to party." Yeah Norm was a hound and Norm sucks.
This was a great story. We're still suffering and personally I'll never get over the Whalers leaving.
I wish Dallas could give up their teams name and the Wild could become the North Stars. I miss the North Stars. As a Penguins fan, I feel guilty that my team may have caused the North Stars to leave Minnesota, not enough to give the Cup back, but man, I wish the North Stars were still there. Let’s just hope the Wild adopt that retro stars uniforms so I can pretend they’re the North Stars
I cobbled this together:
Quebec moved to Colorado and won the Cup the following year – that's the fastest a team could possibly win following relocation, and they're the only team to do it that quickly. Atlanta moved to Calgary and it took six years for the Flames to play for the Cup and nine years for them to win it. Minnesota moved to Dallas – it took six years for Dallas to win the cup after playing for the cup against the dynasty Islanders in 1980 and The Lemieux Penguins in 1991. The Rockies became the Devils. It took 12 seasons for them to win their first Cup. Hartford became the Hurricanes, and it took nine seasons for them to win the Cup (the same time-span as Calgary).
The legitimization of the NHL starts with the concrete existence of the Original Six in 1942. Using that as a benchmark, it took:
Detroit 1 season to win their first Original Six Cup
Montreal – deux (2) Saisons
The Leafs – 3
Chicago – 19
Boston – 28
The Rangers – 52
post expansion
Philly – 7
Isles – 8
Oilers -5
Flames – 9
Pitty – 24
The Avs – 1
Devils – 13
TB – 12
Ducks – 14
Kings – 45
Blues – 52
Caps – 44
Vegas – 6
FLA – 30
*
Non winners:
Vancouver – 54 seasons so far
Buffalo – 54
San Jose – 32
Ottawa – 31
Arizona – 27
Minnesota Wild – 25 years
Columbus – 23
hARTFORD – 18
The Original Jets – 17
Quebec – 16
The current Jets – 12
Golden Seals – 9
Atlanta Flames – 8
The Kraken – 2
Cleveland – 2
Kansas – 2
SALT LAKE – first season incomplete
*Toronto has the longest active winless streak amongst all active franchises, but they won 6 cups during the Original Six era, beginning in 1942.
I’d trade one North Stars Cup for five by the Wild.
I grew up a few blocks away from the Met and I can remember all the games, all the concerts and all the tailgating. That's something NG can never take away from me or all the fans. NG Sucks, You Greedy Bastard.
Not a N stars fan.. but a great doc on this team. Great jersey too. Miss em.
For those who thinks only Canadian teams we're struggling with quebec and Winnipeg leaving Minnesota went the same way
The most shocking part of this entire video was when Dan Patrick described Norm Green as "58 yr old…" when he looks 70
Disappointing and biased documentary made through the lens of disillutioned and nostalgic former North Stars fans. The last ten minutes are more interesting because it opens the perspective of new opportunities that opened up after the move but besides that, it's the same old broken record about how Norm Green is awful and bad and blah blah blah.
There's basically nothing about the Gunds already threatening to move in the late 1980s, the terrible attendance, the poor management of the team, the awful drafting year after year; and above all that, nothing about the MSC that didn't give a single sh*t about the franchise. Seeing Lester making his drunk theories is pretty embarrassing. Green puts $20M from his own pockets to try to keep the ship afloat but everyone shut the door on his face. You deserve a team if you do care about it and make everything possible to make it work: not because you claim yourself as the 'State of Hockey'.
Don't get me wrong, as a former North Stars and current Stars fan who kept the fandom with the franchise moving south, I was pissed when they left. But things need to be seen objectively while sticking on the facts with the cold reality of economics underneath. Ralph Stangis is right when he said that the North Stars' departure created two great markets: the Stars in Dallas, and the Minnesota market which finally realized what it takes to run a pro sport team and make it viable and sustainable.
Finally, claiming the rights to the colors, name and logo of the North Stars for the Wild is ridiculous and annoying. The team is now in Dallas. Having not one but two retro-reverse jerseys designed like the North Stars doesn't make any sense. It's not the same team, not the same franchise. That obsession more than 30 years after the move is becoming a mental illness related to a medical condition. Minnesotans, you have a team for the past 25 years, a wonderful arena with the X-cel Center (the one that no one wanted to renovate when the North Stars' future in MN was already in jeopardy…), so embrace it and create your own history and legacy.
Growing up as a kid, I went to a lot of Kalamazoo Wings games and found out about the history they had with them being the North Stars' farm team in the IHL. Plus being from Michigan watching and hearing about Mike Madano.
I was born in 04 and grew up during the Wild, but somehow loved the "N" logo and would always put it on my custom team in NHL 10-13.
Now that I'm older, learning about the history behind teams that aren't around like the Seals, Barrons, Scouts, Nordiques, Whalers, and the North Stars. This one like Quebec and Hartford, just leaves a sad feeling in my heart. Something about the Wild bringing back the colors and jerseys from that era I think made Minnesotans have some closure to that rough patch in history at the end.
Hopefully the Wild can win the Cup sooner or later for you guys! ❤
Man I understand the pain! I’m still a coyotes fan knowing we don’t have a team here in Arizona.
we loathe norm greens blood
Boy I wish we still could at least be called the North Stars. The Wild is absolutely ridiculous and the color scheme of the north stars can’t be beat.
Louie is right, the Stars leaving can only partially be blamed on Green. The Target Center wasn’t viable for the team to generate enough revenue.
Me and a buddy went to a north stars game against the oilers at the met in the early mid 80s, and saw gretzky shoot a Puck right thru the net that hardly anyone in the met even saw. He made everyone turn their head (still don't know how he did it) then ripped a wrister right thru the net. Everyone stopped and looked confused, but the game went on and he didn't get the goal.
DEEENO! dude was cool. I was his paperboy in the early 80s.
Excellent documentary. I'm a huge hockey fan and the Minnesota high school hockey is way better than professional hockey.
There's no such thing as a "Dallas Stars" fan… They're a bunch of cowboys fans who are bored in the off-season. They don't know the players, the rules, what year the franchise was "founded / stolen" or anything else hockey related… Hockey belongs in Minnesota, not Texas.
Norm Green looks like a child 'botherer' if you know what I mean… Dude was sketchy as F&%^ and that's coming from an Albertan
I'm a Penguins fan whose owner between February 1977 and the fall of 1991 was Edward J. DeBartolo Sr., who like Green, made his fortune with shopping malls. The DeBartolo Corporation is headquartered in Boardman, Ohio south of Youngstown, which is about a half hour drive from my house in Mercer County, Pennsylvania. It's just down the road from one of DeBartolo's malls, Southern Park Mall.
Not forgotten in any way shape or form.
Norm Green commercial, " We've made some changes, we've moved to Texas"
I felt bad for our players being uprooted. The destruction of Met Center was big. This story is missing the Norm Green angle.
As a native born Texas who loved any scrap of hockey we could get during the 80s and 90s I say its easy to be a fan when they win but poor attendance during the loosing years need to be supported. Minnesota says they loved the Stars but had the lowest attendance in the league. Easy to point a finger and while many or even every person in the documentary was probably a die hard fan, the majority of Minnesota were not. To the die hards I salute you. My father still refuses to acknowledge the Titans and refuses to watch a Cowboys game that they don't play the Texans. It's hard on a family who has traditions and a passion for something to loose it. Hopefully you can enjoy and support the Wild. The Stars are in good hands because Texas was not a hockey state, but it is now and its because the greatest hockey team came here and made fans of us. Let's go Stars!
When I was a little guy I heard there was a hockey team in my area but they moved. The Seals became the Barons and merged with the North Stars, but that was a million miles from Oakland and a distant memory.
I lived in Dallas from 90-98. San Jose got the Sharks but I never could get behind them. Then the team I wished I could have seen team moved to where I was. Ever since, I’ve been a Stars fan even though I moved back to Oakland.
Ironically, my work is about to take me to Minnesota. I’m not sure what kind of reception I’ll get as a Stars fan, but I replaced the Dallas Stars sticker on my car with an old school Minnesota North Stars one. Not as a pretender just as a matter of respect.
Being from Oakland I am aware of what it feels like when a team leaves (or in Oakland’s case ALL the teams leave.)
Minnesota doesn't deserve hockey.
Look at all the newspaper articles that came out in 1993 and 1994 playing the blame game
How long until the Wild threatens to leave minnesota?
Difficult to watch . All it is is snippets
Norm Green and especially his wife at the time suck. It was mostly her fault.