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Al’s voicemail was spot on as were Brodie’s takeaways.
Yes, baseball does need to start investing now in non-traditional countries if it wants to prosper 2 decades from now. The fan bases in North America and Asia aren’t getting any younger.
With the way MLB is being run now, we need a thorough housecleaning to right the ship. Bring in more baseball people are risk takers and innovative types.
We need more Branch Rickeys and significantly fewer John Fishers and Pittsburgh Nutjobs right now.
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I'm German. We have baseball in Europe, in Germany, Italy, the Netherlands… Since 1988, we've had the Lippstadt Ochmoneks in my town, and very close by—a 30-minute drive—the Paderborn Untouchables (German Major League).
I will say this about Asia, there are good leagues here in Japan, Korea, and Taiwan. One reason why more Asian players aren't going to MLB is culture. Many players don't feel comfortable going to North America and leaving their families and friends behind.
MLB is too similar to Cricket for a lot of people from Africa, Europe and parts of Asia to gravitate to it.
I’m confused, I can’t hear what this guy is really saying on the voicemail. That’s the first thing.
The other thing I’m confused about though is other than my comment, every other comment in this video is two weeks old for a video that just came out six minutes ago.
Read my comments…LOL. Why World Baseball Classic does so well in Florida and Marlins and Rays can't catch a break. It does work in Japan and that part of the world so they should be pushing that a bit more.
Australia produces more Major Leaguers than you'd expect. I think Little League is fairly popular there, maybe like how youth soccer is popular here in America while the professional level doesn't have much popular interest comparatively.
Europe is an intriguing opportunity for growth, especially because Italy has such citizenship rules that cause a lot of Italian-American MLB players to be eligible for the national team, and Netherlands controlling Curaçao and Aruba creates opportunities there as well. There also was at least somewhat of a push for Greece, especially while Peter Angelos was still with us. For the same reason as Italy there’s likely growth potential for baseball in Greece by marketing the expat descendant stars like Cody Bellinger (he has Greek great-grandparents), and having those players plant the seeds in their ancestral home for homegrown talent to rival the Italians and Dutch, who are regularly at the top of Europe’s baseball rankings.
Baseball is to complicated for people aren’t born into American culture. Just think about how much baseball apart of our cultural lexicon and identity. Just try to explain baseball to a non American and you’ll see how much of your baseball knowledge is ingrained into you
There’s a great video about my baseball is the best movie sport. I feel like the reason for that are similar to why it’s not that big across the globe.
As a British Baltimore fan I cam say it has nowhere near the profile of the NFL or NBA in the UK.
There are really only two "global sports" soccer and basketball. The rules are simple, and both sports are easy to play
As a long time Angels fan in the UK, I fell for the game while travelling in California in the mid 90s. We have domestic amateur leagues here, but its very much a minority sport, its seen as overly complicated rounders, too long and too many rules. Yes we have the london games, but country wide it has a tiny presence. Baseball is so uniquely American, its a hard sell outside the USA.
Montreal Expos Estie Tabarnac de Colise. You have a minimum of 7 million potential fans
MLB needs to invest in "fun" like Banana Ball has. They sell out every major league park and NFL stadium they play in while signing a new contract with ESPN. Also expanding to 6 teams next year. Why? Affordable fun.
I agree with chrisbunka and Al. There's a huge growth opportunity in Africa, particularly if Kasumba Dennis makes the majors or even ends up breaking the minor league barrier as a Rookie Leaguer or independent ballplayer. They could go the NFL route and target countries such as Germany and Spain, and go one step further and target Italy based on their recent World Cup showings. Australia would be a bit trickier just because of the Southern Hemisphere winter vs. summer issue; they'd probably have to do MLB games in early April to mid-May to counter that and boost interest, depending on where in Australia they played.
If MLB were really smart…and they probably aren't…they'd create several international feeder leagues and use the games as fresh content for the MLB Network. Live baseball in December in January from the Oceanic League as the Sydney Koalas take on the Auckland Kiwis for first place! African baseball supremacy is on the line as the Accra Lions travel to Johannesburg to take on the South African Diamonds! (If MLB sees this and is dumb enough to use these team names that I just created on the fly, I demand royalties.)
Soccer is popular everywhere but the NFL is most popular in America. Baseball needs to be like Walmart and go all out to grow the brand across the globe.
I dunno, it sounds like a bit of a fools errand. Sorry Brodie, but the hockey analogy doesn't fit for what this caller is suggesting. The NHL did not pump money into European and Russian hockey programs. Quite the opposite actually. Many people in the league pushed back against the large influx of foreign-born players that started in earnest in the 90s after the Soviet Union collapsed. Hockey grew organically in countries such as the USSR and Sweden. There wasn't some Canadian contingent globetrotting to sell the game in the 1940s and 50s. You mentioned pumping hundreds of millions into the initiative? Who do you think those costs will get past along to. And where would you go? Poverty ridden countries with despotic governments?
If you want to make an investment, start propping up the municipal little league programs we had when I was a kid. The problem with kids sports today is too much parental meddling. When I was a kid you'd see maybe a small handful of parents watching the game and they weren't hovering over their kids. That was our thing. It belonged to us and the coaches who volunteered their time. Now it's all about travel leagues and parents screaming at coaches if little Johnny isn't getting enough playing time. Baseball isn't as bad as youth hockey. The scenes you see at some of those games are disgusting.
I point this out because if you went to a group of third-world countries and dumped a bunch money into a youth program who do you think would profit from that? It wouldn't be the intended target group that's for sure. Look at all the corrupt agents in Latin America who rope these players into one-sided deals when they are just teenagers because they know the family desperately wants to escape their dire financial situation and will agree to anything. I just think you would get more of that on a global scale and I don't think it would produce anything.
My take may not be popular but I've traveled around the world a bit and I know sports, like any cultural tradition, grows from the ground up, not the top down. A bunch of Johnny Appleseed's from MLB aren't going to move the needle if there is no natural yearning for the game. I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer, I just don't think it would accomplish much. But that's me.
Good luck getting the cheap MLB owners to go along with international regular season games.
I asked ChatGPT what they think will happen to the A's in Vegas the next 30 years. It said that they would likely be relocated again due to issues with the market and possibly move to Mexico as part of an international expansion lol
It would be interesting to see baseball expanded to Africa. Especially in the developed countries in Africa.
I've said it before. If the Marlins were playing teams from Santo Domingo, Havana, Caracas, or Cartagena they would pack the house. 41.5% of South Florida residents are foreign-born. In the city of Miami it's 57.6%. Think about that. I don't mean this to be a racist comment, but a Dominican, Venezuelan, or Colombian fan isn't going to schlep their way through Miami traffic to Little Havana to watch Billy Joe or Jim Bob play baseball. And yes, there is a pretty good representation of Latino players in baseball, but they are peppered out throughout the league. It's not cohesive. (Then add on the ticket prices, the expensive concessions, the parking, the fuel to get there – say nothing of the aggravation of the traffic.) BUT…If you have a more or less continuous international tournament going on there – like the WBC – national pride might overcome all of that inertia…For better or for worse, Miami is not an American city. It's just not. So you need to put an international product on the field there…Something to watch, Brodie. The Navojoa Mayos team of the Mexican Pacific League (the winter league) moved to Tucson, to play at Kino. While this may not sound like a big deal, the popularity (or not) of the club in Tucson could be a bellwether for international play. I always thought that Mexican League teams spread across the border cities from Brownsville to SoCal would create some pretty interesting rivalries. Probably not a great time politically to do anything international, but maybe later…
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Im commenting before the video actually started. Asia is (in my opinion) the best place to expand if MLB wants to become a global league. NPB and KBO put on a fantastic product already and I feel like MLB teams in Japan and/or Korea could be successful!
The MLB needs to do something because right now it feels stagnant but I don't see how the league can make a push to other countries when its shown to have any interest to expand in Canada, where are the teams in Vancouver, Ottawa or back to Montreal?
Haiti is an underserved market.
Baseball in Europe and non-traditional South American countries like Brazil, Argentina and Peru
As much criticism as the NBA gets locally (and justifiably so), it has done a fantastic job marketing itself globally.
Living abroad, the NBA is the only sport I can talk to non-Americans about. MLB is somewhat popular abroad but more so because people are fans of specific foreign players (like Shohei) rather than actually knowing about the teams and history. I have yet to meet a non-American who knew anything about the NFL unless they lived in America before or they're Canadian.
It would be a great idea for MLB to grow the game internationally. I know there were American teams traveling to England in the 19th century doing goodwill tours, but not so much since those early trips.
I’m not at all how the game was grown in the Caribbean before WWII, unless it was because American bosses running the banana companies thought baseball with them.
I do know that soldiers took baseball with them to Europe; I remember a 60 Minutes report from the 80s about the state of the game in Italy. One American playing over there interviewed for the report thought the Italian league was at the equivalent of Class A.
Japan had baseball back into the mid-1930s, but with low amounts of rubber it was a dead ball sport. The War did affect the game; they outlawed English in baseball, for one thing, and there was no baseball in 1945. But the sport bounced back; after the 1949 season, it reorganized into the two current leagues. Unfortunately they are suffering from fan aging as much as the US is.
I think Brazil might be a tough sell, I don’t know that they have enough open space in the heavily populated cities for baseball diamonds to draw enough interest. But I do think Brazil is sporty enough that baseball could become the #3 sport there. And I feel the same about South Africa and Nigeria and Australia and the Philippines.
To me, it would make perfect sense for there to be a fully affiliated minor league in the Caribbean, and parts of Mexico, Central America, and South America. Maybe equivalent to a AA league. That way MLB teams can develop prospects from these areas and when they see someone that they think genuinely has the potential to play in MLB, they can move them to their AAA team and start getting them acclimated to the team culture and the way the team plays.
Field space is a real issue, as a baseball diamond is not the acme of a multi-sport playing surface. For most of the rest of the world, soccer has first call on available fields that have no pitcher's mound, infield, warning track, or outfield fence.