Could maybe say that about Dubas but dude, Shanahan was the whole reason why the core stay here for so long
Mr_Feeeeny
Dubas for sure, Shanahan can go sit on a cactus of self righteousness
Anymorpher
Shanahan is the poster child for this team standing pat and doing nothing, not sure why we’re waxing poetic about him now.
RudeTudeDude_
Shanahan set this organization back a decade. I have no idea what people still see in him.
Dubsified
Shanahan is the reason we are in this position
Sacred_soul
Nah fuck Shanahan
Evenspace-
Dubas might’ve been the dude
PrivateJoker918
Shanahan wasn’t the answer.
Intelligent-South174
dubas wasn’t treated harshly enough.
stavroszaras
Dubas yes, Shanahan no.
charliem11
They replaced Shanahan with an empty chair and the team turned to garbage. I don’t know WHAT he did but turns out some part of it was important.
Cal_Takes_Els
Fuck shanny
HarleyAPE23
McMann to Seattle
XviiChong
Dubas can get an apology, Shanahan no, he’s the main reason for the demise of this franchise
airbassguitar
Marner too. Matthews next.
zone55555
No. We didn’t.
ComputerSaysnooooo
We fucked up with Dubas. Shanahan can fuck off
PatientTechnical1832
I resent than person that adopted me into Leafs fandom.
Funny_Lynx_3395
They won 1 game past the 1st round in their entire tenure. Let’s not pretend they were successful either.
Mercylas
Shan is the reason the leafs are in this position. Brad is simply playing the cards he was given
CS271990
Fuck Shanahan, Dubas was the one I feel sorry for
Tarquin11
« Shanahan was the main reason this franchise sucks »
You summer children, did you *start* watching at Matthews?
Shanahan’s last few decisions were not good, but he almost singlehandedly repaired the franchise reputation at the start of his tenure.
thatguy_griff
the love for Dubas here is hilarious lol fan base begged for him to go and you got Tre lol Dubas was never perfect but better than most and, imo, had the important skill of correcting a mistake if needed. was handcuffed by Shanahan, went for more power and MLSE said fuck off. just a tremendous mistake
Candymanshook
Are we pretending Dubas didn’t trade a 1st for Foligno? Or that he overpaid every deadline to fit trade acquisitions into the cap crunch he helped create?
DougFordsGamblingAds
Comparison is made based on roster snapshots at the start of FA, comparing 2018-2023 for Dubas, and 2023-2026 for Treliving. This essentially tracks what happened to the important players on those 3 rosters, and the draft picks made.
People need to stop with the Dubas revisionist history. He failed as GM. Just because Treliving is worse doesn’t mean Dubas was good. One playoff round won during his tenure. With the talent he was handed when he took over, that’s a failure. I know it may be hard for us Leafs fans to understand, but some teams contend for and, actually win the Stanley cup on occasion.
JP-Edwards
Shanny was the fucking ringleader of this circus for Ten years fuck him
tecate_papi
Dubas was the first good GM we had in more than a generation and Leafs fans, of course, had to hate him.
ChungusSpliffs
Been saying it forever.. Leaf fans are going to regret running Dubas and Marner out.
wanderlustandapples1
Guys. We’re still dealing with shit Dubas created. No cap space, couldn’t build depth, no money for defense. Player friendly deals that locked us into what we have now (minus marner). And he gave away SO many draft picks so we have zero prospects.
Also agree with everyone else-Fuck Shanahan and his stupid fucking Shanaplan.
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Could maybe say that about Dubas but dude, Shanahan was the whole reason why the core stay here for so long
Dubas for sure, Shanahan can go sit on a cactus of self righteousness
Shanahan is the poster child for this team standing pat and doing nothing, not sure why we’re waxing poetic about him now.
Shanahan set this organization back a decade. I have no idea what people still see in him.
Shanahan is the reason we are in this position
Nah fuck Shanahan
Dubas might’ve been the dude
Shanahan wasn’t the answer.
dubas wasn’t treated harshly enough.
Dubas yes, Shanahan no.
They replaced Shanahan with an empty chair and the team turned to garbage. I don’t know WHAT he did but turns out some part of it was important.
Fuck shanny
McMann to Seattle
Dubas can get an apology, Shanahan no, he’s the main reason for the demise of this franchise
Marner too. Matthews next.
No. We didn’t.
We fucked up with Dubas. Shanahan can fuck off
I resent than person that adopted me into Leafs fandom.
They won 1 game past the 1st round in their entire tenure. Let’s not pretend they were successful either.
Shan is the reason the leafs are in this position. Brad is simply playing the cards he was given
Fuck Shanahan, Dubas was the one I feel sorry for
« Shanahan was the main reason this franchise sucks »
You summer children, did you *start* watching at Matthews?
Shanahan’s last few decisions were not good, but he almost singlehandedly repaired the franchise reputation at the start of his tenure.
the love for Dubas here is hilarious lol fan base begged for him to go and you got Tre lol Dubas was never perfect but better than most and, imo, had the important skill of correcting a mistake if needed. was handcuffed by Shanahan, went for more power and MLSE said fuck off. just a tremendous mistake
Are we pretending Dubas didn’t trade a 1st for Foligno? Or that he overpaid every deadline to fit trade acquisitions into the cap crunch he helped create?
Comparison is made based on roster snapshots at the start of FA, comparing 2018-2023 for Dubas, and 2023-2026 for Treliving. This essentially tracks what happened to the important players on those 3 rosters, and the draft picks made.
| Dubas | Treliving
—|—|—-
Years as GM| 5 | 3
Net FRPs Traded | -4 | -1
Net SRPs Traded | -4 | +1
RFA Signings Traded Away | Kadri, Moore, Durzi, Marchment, Sandin, Joshua, Brown, Kapanen, Engvall, Dermott | Minten, Liljegren, Timmins, Grebenkin
Players added in trades | McCabe, Lafferty, Giordano, Timmins | Carlo, Laughton, Maccelli, Joshua, Benning, Thrun
Players added in FA | Tavares, Samsonov, Brodie, McMann, Jarnkrok | Tanev, OEL, Stolarz, Domi, Lorentz
Notable FAs Unsigned | Hyman | Holmberg, Steeves, Samsonov
Extensions | Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly | Matthews, Nylander, Knies, Tavares, Stolarz, Woll, Domi, Lorentz, McCabe, Hildeby, McMann
People need to stop with the Dubas revisionist history. He failed as GM. Just because Treliving is worse doesn’t mean Dubas was good. One playoff round won during his tenure. With the talent he was handed when he took over, that’s a failure. I know it may be hard for us Leafs fans to understand, but some teams contend for and, actually win the Stanley cup on occasion.
Shanny was the fucking ringleader of this circus for Ten years fuck him
Dubas was the first good GM we had in more than a generation and Leafs fans, of course, had to hate him.
Been saying it forever.. Leaf fans are going to regret running Dubas and Marner out.
Guys. We’re still dealing with shit Dubas created. No cap space, couldn’t build depth, no money for defense. Player friendly deals that locked us into what we have now (minus marner). And he gave away SO many draft picks so we have zero prospects.
Also agree with everyone else-Fuck Shanahan and his stupid fucking Shanaplan.
Dubas yea, Shanahan no.
Get rid or Morgan R…he’s a bum and over hyped
This is still Shanny’s fault