Je dirais que c’est un mélange des deux, avec les blessures que nous avons eues en début de saison.
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Fine_Window_9308
@Maple Leafs de Toronto
Je dirais que c’est un mélange des deux, avec les blessures que nous avons eues en début de saison.
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Fine_Window_9308
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Biggest change from last year is on the defensive / GA side.
Well it certainly didn’t help. But it doesn’t look good for a coach who will soon be looking for a job to admit that his team was only good because of one player.
Marner couldn’t cover all the holes in this team and management and the relationship had run its course. I’d say move on but we know that won’t happen lol
It hurt the PP but even if you added Marner back this wouldn’t have been a playoff team. The system wasn’t working and the goaltending was below average and the injury luck was horrendous.
100% not the reason. Nothing would have been different except maybe we end up with a few more points and for sure Boston gets our pick.
The on-ice system we employed and the injuries we underwent sunk us. As well as the obvious lack of passion displayed on the ice for long stretches. Which to me, points to an issue with coaching and by extension, the GM. If you don’t like what you’re being asked to do at your job you’re less likely to be your best self.
PDO dried up basically. Also no Tanev. But there were major warning signs this was coming.
They spent a decade doubling down year after year on a talented core that never succeeded and the cheque came due. It’s not Marner it’s poor asset management and a bet on the cap increasing and getting screwed by Covid.
Im really curious about what people think when they say this. Do they apply any logic or is it just a feel? Is the implication with Marner they outscore their problems? Cause they did that early on and Berube roped them back in to play his system that doesn’t work.
The problem clearly is defensive results and puck movement from the blueline. Marner helps some defensive things but he is a winger whose impact is small in that regard.
Not to mention, Marner had the lowest scoring season of his career on a team that regressed both in the standings and defensively after adding him.
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It’s never one player, but Stolarz regressed a bit from last year.
Marner would have made some difference. But they’d probably just have finished with 84 points instead of 78 and would be completely outside the draft lottery.
The ultimate result would more or less be the same.
34 being half the player he was 2 years ago certainly didn’t help.
Marner would have been just enough to get us out of the lottery but not enough for the playoffs.
Around where New Jersey finished
Marner was an issue but far from the issues plaguing this team because he is the same. Do you think he would have fought when Matthews got kneed? Do you think he all of the sudden would have had screw you energy in the playoffs?
Marner is a great player but he disappears when things get tough which is a massive issue with this team
Dude all this Mitch Marner glazing is annoying. Want to see the real Mitch Marner, watch him play against the Mammoth in round 1. I’d bet money that after game 4, he’s a ghost
Marner would have made no difference
If Marner is on this team we probably still miss the playoffs by a hair.
The simple fact is Marner was our best player imo. He did a lot beyond his offensive capabilities. Losing Tanev was also huge as we now lost our best defensive forward and our best defensive dman. Macielli, Roy and Laughton were not the bandaid solution to losing Marner we hoped and Matthews was a shell of himself likely due to injury but also because he wasnt being fed by one of the best passers in the game anymore.
“We lost our best defensive forward and then forgot how to defend! But it’s just a coincidence!”
Nope but it certainly didn’t fucking help
Cuz the leafs blow goats bro
For however most fans feel about Berube, and his style, he’s completely right.
This team is flawed to the core, in terms of compete level. I don’t doubt these guys want to win bad, but they don’t seem to understand the consistency required to be truly great, nor can they meet the moment when the temperature rises.
Yeah it’s Mathew’s being captain
Hard to say the extent of Marners’ absence and its impact on the team, since despair sets in when you know you’re out of it. If you add a guy who you know can help win, you feel like your spritis are lifted and maybe trudge on when you’d otherwise lose hope. When you just don’t think you have the ponies to get across the finish line, morale suffers most.
I think Marner’s ability to generate turnovers, as well as his ability to help maintain possession in the offensive zone is the biggest loss. We just couldn’t create good opportuntiies without the space he created out there and the offensive zone time he gave us.
I also think our PP suffered without Marner. Now, were the Leafs better on the PP because Savard was fired? Sure, but I did a quick look and the Leafs got the fewest PP opportunities in the league. Some of that can be pinned on reffing – I get it. But these guys also weren’t doing the kind of things out there that lead to PPs being granted. There’s so little speed, both in feet, and in puck movement. Marner had the ability to create space for others and that space creates chances or PP opportunites.
**I think any analysis of this team and the underlying stats needs to toally discard March & April since they were so out of it that point that the players had given up, and therefore are of no analytical value.** The appropriate timeframe to assess what went wrong is from prolly mid-november up to the end of Jamuary. Hindsight being 20/20, this team really never had a chance at the playoffs. It was simply an awful 3 months aside from maybe a good 2-3 week stretch, and only the Canucks of the NHL aren’t able to string together at least on good 2-3 week heater. Hell, look at STL and WPG towards the end of the season, they had heaters too.
Marner is a regular season superstar he would have made a huge difference. Everyone here is just in denial
Hey Craig:
Id say the fact our defense was apparently held together with duct tape and popsicle sticks (tanev) is why they bombed so hard.
He wasn’t the main reason, but he is a part of it. Even though we had great years from Willy (79pts), JT (71pts), and Kniesy (66 pts), we had a very down year for our captain, a ton of injuries, and seemingly no line chemistry due to constant shuffling. Goaltending was sub-par (we didn’t even have our tandem together until the middle of the season), defense was abysmal, and our division was the hardest in the league (which isn’t new, I guess).
It’s foolish to suggest having Marner would have fixed everything if all the other problems still existed, but his absence also didn’t help.