Nous disons au revoir à une saison spéciale des Sharks de San Jose ! Mais avant cela, la légende des Sharks, Dan Boyle, se souvient de la fois où il a marché sur Brent Burns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV3AWKsTK7U De plus, Zubair partage un superbe film sur le « hockey » qu’il a regardé récemment. Alors, où Sheng a-t-il voté Macklin Celebrini pour le trophée Hart ? Le directeur général Mike Grier, dans son entretien de sortie, a présenté un cas plein d’entrain. Celebrini sera-t-il le prochain capitaine des Sharks de San Jose ? L’histoire récente donne une bonne idée de ce à quoi devrait ressembler l’extension de Celebrini. Qu’a pensé Dan de la récente convocation de Luca Cagnoni dans la LNH ? Échangeriez-vous Michael Misa contre Zach Werenski ? Dan et Keegan ont une réponse peut-être surprenante. Nous discutons de ce à quoi pourrait ressembler la ligne bleue des Sharks de San Jose l’année prochaine. Qu’en est-il de l’entraîneur-chef Ryan Warsofsky ? Qu’a-t-on pensé de sa performance cette saison ? Que pense Dan d’Eric Pohlkamp ? Nous entamons une conversation réfléchie sur Shakir Mukhamadullin : que faudra-t-il pour l’amener au niveau supérieur ? Enfin, nous remercions chacun pour tout votre soutien cette saison ! 🎧 Horodatage complet des épisodes dans la description 💬 Déposez votre avis : Celebrini devrait-il gagner MVP ? Échangeriez-vous Misa contre Werenski ? 📺 Abonnez-vous pour la couverture et les interviews hebdomadaires des Sharks 00:03:30 – Le meilleur but de Dan Boyle jamais expliqué 00:12:00 – Les meilleurs films de hockey classés 00:15:30 – Culture des vestiaires et histoires « d’observation des oiseaux » 00:17:10 – Celebrini bat le record de Thornton 00:18:15 – Où Sheng a-t-il voté Celebrini pour MVP ? 00:29:00 – Celebrini devrait-il être capitaine la saison prochaine ? 00:33:15 – Début de la projection du contrat Celebrini 00:43:00 – Débat commercial Werenski, échangeriez-vous Misa ? 00:55:00 – Évaluation du passage de Luca Cagnoni dans la LNH 01:20:50 – Zubair et Martin St. Louis 01:23:20 – Évaluation de la performance de Ryan Warsofsky 01:24:20 – L’importance de l’entraîneur adjoint pour Mukhamadullin & Company 01:27:00 – Les réflexions de Dan sur Eric Pohlkamp 01:43:45 – Poursuite de la discussion sur Warsofsky et plus de discussions sur Mukhamadullin 02:20:00 – Ramener Reaves ? Pourquoi signer à nouveau Dellandrea ? #SanJoseSharks #MacklinCelebrini #NHL #HockeyPodcast #SharksRebuild #ConnorMcDavid #NHLTradeRumors #NHLDraft #HockeyTalk #StanleyCup #NHLPlayoffs #HockeyDebate #WillSmith #SharksProspects #NHLAnalysis
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21:05 hell yea boyler haha
Alex Huang prospect from Nash!
Mystery Alaska is a great hockey movie
Macklin will definitely be a captain. those 30+ year old hockey players will get his respect, geeez, he played in Team Canada and broke Jumbo’s record at 19!
my favorite Dan Boyle "goal" was the one where he shot it from the blue line and 3 forwards tipped it before it went in XD I believe in the postgame Boyle cheekily called out the "greedy forwards"
listening at work. Love your work Sheng
16:38 Boyler almost did a spit take. 😂
don't no one ever talk bad about my coach ever again… dont make me angry… try me bub
misa is untouchable even for werenski
I'd rather loser smith, misa is a center with no weaknesses. he has future selke upside.
selling the farm for werenski right now is such an obvious example of rushing a window and the easiest way to turn a slam-dunk rebuild into the memphis grizzlies
adam fox is likely to force his way out either this season or next, that's an eventual option that wouldn't require as much at that point.
*any monster defense trade package would be centered around quantity and surplus; musty, eklund, ravensbergen or askarov, either of the pair of 2026 firsts or future firsts
Exhausting to have to hear Zubair and Kegan hammer the SAME point over and over again about Mukhamadullin. Dude was either hurt, recovering from being hurt, playing soft in the defensive zone, or playing well. Different players need different development plans, which could include sitting them for a bit. GMMG will bring him back since he's a RFA and D-men take longer to develop anyways, especially tall lanky ones.
dan boyle looks pretty much the same now as he did for his entire sharks tenure.
man has barely aged a day
1:45:47 , Talking about Mukh "Can you afford to wait on that when he is making critical mistakes or winning and losing?"
Wasn't the whole point of this year as a GROWTH year?
First, the Sharks didn't make the playoffs this year ANYWAYS, and even if they WOULD make the playoffs, they were probably not going to get very far in them. THIS attitude of "hey, we're in a playoff chase, we need to win" is what leads to teams trading away multiple round picks for a piece when they are multiple players away from getting close to contending, and never getting close to contending because they're too short-sighted to know exactly when they SHOULD go for it.
IOW, it's stupid AF and leads to the mediocrity treadmill that the Kraken are on.
Second, where's the accountability with the VETERAN players? Particularly Klingberg? If you look at the top performers for the Sharks going down the stretch, most of them were the YOUNG guys. The VETs were mainly the ones who didn't hold up their part of the bargain. I DON'T have a problem of holding ALL players accountable, but that needs to work on VETS too. The disparity of treatment between Mukh and Klingberg/Leddy in the amount of mistakes they could make was pretty large throughout most of the season. And every time we asked about this, Sheng and Warsofsky would fall back to "Well, 5 years ago, they were pretty good." I don't care about 5 years ago, how are they NOW. That is the question that the coaching staff should be asking themselves.
Third, I think Sheng seems to have a bias against Mukh. Not sure why, but every time he's brought up, he attacks him whereas he would always find excuses for Klingberg/Leddy for their poor play. On the whole, I think Mukh played BETTER than Klingberg/Leddy for the entirety of the season. Was he significantly better? Probably not, but if you listened to the comments Sheng made throughout the year, you'd think that Klingberg/Leddy were SIGNIFICANTLY better than Mukh given how much he attacked Mukh for "not taking their spot away from them." News flash, why should that spot be Klingberg's or Leddy's BY DEFAULT? IF they were the players they were many years ago, yeah, I get it. But guess what, they aren't any more.
Sadly, I think Toffoli might be in the same spot soon. He seems like he's noticeably lost a step and can't really keep up with the young guns on this team. He didn't make quite as many mistakes as Klingberg and Leddy made this year, but he wasn't a shining spot this year like he was in previous seasons. But that's the reality of the season, you can't treat players like they are the players they were many seasons ago. You have to recognize where they are at this point and give them the appropriate amount of rope given how they're playing.
And Klingberg and Leddy for the most part were awful this year. Mukh made some mistakes but for the most part seemed solid most of the times with a couple of boneheaded plays every game or two.
When it comes to paying Macklin, its a lot easier to convince him to take less if he knows the team will spend to the cap. Hasso spent to the cap when the teams were good so the track record aligns. If the agent thought the Sharks are trying to save money and the owner was pocketing it, that wouldn't work. But there's no evidence for that. I'd also say that he's living with Jumbo and while I'm not sure that'd be part of the conversation, Jumbo was underpaid relative to how good he was.
The body of work Sheng puts together is the best, the connections, the player you have on, you're not afraid to play devils advocate or ask the hard questions, inevitably you will fly a little close to the sun but I know it's never out of maliciousness. A hack journalist would not put in this effort.
why is he so obsessed with muk? is it literally just cause he was a 1st rounder?
he's obviously a bust with poor work ethic. kinda shocked these guys haven't realized it yet. all the signs are there
new jersey reached like crazy cause they saw the tools with the frame. they learned quick he wasn't what they'd projected him to be (why they immediately kept drafting defensemen in the following drafts)
by the time he was included in the meier trade it was apparent that his value as a former (reach) first had already started deteriorating.
then he could hardly make the worst roster in hockey. kept getting hurt despite limited minutes and decent height (kid has put on literally zero weight…. whose fault is that?)
it should be OBVIOUS that the dude (who is now 24 btw) doesn't put in the work behind the scenes. they won't reward a lazy and ineffective player. simple as that
Hey Fellas,
You guys covered a lot of ground on this show and definitely got my attention with a number of topis.
1) Hart Trophy: This hits a sore sport with me. Firstly you guys are right the Hart trophy generally goes to the top scorer or a player who just had an amazing season like Hellabuck. So no argument there. I really hate where there are stated official criteria and those who pick completely disregard "the criteria." If the Hart trophy is going to be like voting for Homecoming King then change the criteria or just list none and say: Whatever you think this trophy is supposed to represent. This is akin to the MLB rule book specifying the strike zone as from the letters to the knees and from edge to edge of the plate and then the umpires willfully disregard what the rule book says.
I coached high school wrestling in the Central Coast Section for 10 years. Every season after the league tournaments each league sends a league rep to attend the seeding meeting with all the wrestlers from every team in their league worth consideration for seeding. There were specific criteria that the wrestling seeding meeting was supposed to follow yet in the early years it seemed like the coaches at the table and the person running the meeting would disregard the criteria in favor of: " I know this kid and this kid is tough." Drove me freakin'' nuts.
Shang you voted as you saw best to vote but, man….I could not disagree more with you about this. There is criteria for a reason and it doesn't matter what other people vote or how others voted that is their issue man. Don't reinvent the strike zone here please man.
2) In the ten years I coached I coached guys who were state medalist's in California and I coached guys who had trouble winning a single match and everything in between. The way I thought about coaching is my job was to look at every match my guys were going into and figure out a strategy that gives them a chance (hopefully the best chance) to succeed in every match. Even the matches where they were horribly outclassed. I always felt there is a window for success in every match and that is my job to steer them towards that window. I can't tell you how many matches I saw in the 16 years my brother coached or the 10- years I coached where our guy beat a better man by dint of seeing an avenue where our guy had a shot and those kids realizing it and in some cases beating guys much better than they were.
The other part is what you guys talked about figuring out how to support each athlete in an honest way because if you try to bull shit an athlete today they will smell it and dismiss you out of hand so you have to be real with them and you have to earn their respect. There are lots of ways to do that as varied as the types of personality type.
Here is something I think you may have overlooked. We can measure how fast someone is, how strong they are, how accurate their shot is, etc, etc,. What we can't measure is what is in someones heart. Dan is a perfect example of this. Dan was a fine player coming up but, many dismissed him when it came time for his draft year because he was undersized as a blue liner. They failed to realize or take into account what made Dan tick because nobody took the time to pay attention to him or talk with him and get to know him even a little.
This is an intangible thing but, if you fail to consider this you miss out on a player like Nabby, Pavelski, Fernando Mendoza who no top tier D I college recruited. Fernando was a great student and was set to accept a scholarship to play for an IVY league university when at the last minute someone from Cal offered him a scholarship and the rest is history. Or Aaron Rodgers who was ignored by college recruiters until Cal was recruiting a teammate and then head coach Jeff Tedford was looking at film of this teammate and stated the obvious: Wait, wait…who is throwing this kid the ball? Cal was the only college to offer Aaron Rodgers a scholarship.
Shakir for whatever reason is not developing fast enough for our preferences. But, consider this: When all our D-men were playing well this year who was the best one? There is a strong case it's Shakir. He can do things the others can't because of his great skating, long reach and his ability to read the play.
Also, as Dan knows every body does not arrive at the same place at the same time in terms of learning. Never going to happen. What is reasonable to hope is that the window when the majority of your young guys arrive and come into their own has enough overlap like a Venn diagram that in that widow you can legitimately contend for a cup for 2-5 years maybe longer if you are lucky.
Also, consider this: The primary reason why veterans are prized over rookies or young players cutting their teeth is not because their best game is so much better than the younger guys it's because their worst games are no were near as bad as a younger more inexperienced athlete. Veteran's peaks and valley are less pronounced. They are way more consistent in their performance generally speaking.
Lastly remember the tale of Mike Rathje. Mike struggled pretty hard for about 3 years when he broke into the league as a teenager and became the barbarian fans favorite whipping boy for why we sucked back when Mike broke in. About year 4 it finally clicked . Mike had been working out hard and being a big dude at like 6' 5" 245lbs he became one of the best defensive defensemen the Sharks ever had. For the next roughly 4 seasons until he because a free agent Mike just was a place where players came to get stuffed consistently.
When I was studying to be a teacher they talked about scaffolding a lot as a concept to help kids make an intellectual leap for a concept that is difficult for them. However they told us also that you can scaffold the shit out of a kid but, if that kid is not intellectually ready to make that leap then all the efforts to help them bridge that gap are likely to end in futility until they are ready to make that leap and are close enough that scaffolding is viable.
I found an interview with Mike from a few years ago talking about his career in a very candid way like Dan does and it's pretty interesting to hear him talk about what his experience was like in San Jose when he came into the league. The whole conversation is a little long but, I highly recommend listening to it. Here is the link:
https://youtu.be/k9RYYu00P20
Anyway fellas thanks for an entertaining show and I will close with my THREE favorite hockey movies:
There is an older movie I really liked I believe it's called Net Worth about what happened to Ted Lindsay. I looked but, was not able to find it but, if you can find it it's a really interesting and fun movie from back in the day about one of the NHLs great players.
I really like the Canadian movie The Rocket a lot. It's subtitled but, a griping movie about how it was for those guys from back in the day and the tremendous super star that Maurice Richard was.
https://youtu.be/JqDjQ7xKPhw
The last one I liked a lot was Mystery Alaska. It's a fun movie even if it's pretty preposterous.
https://youtu.be/a80x06Wn91U
That's all I got guys. A friken' novel is all…hehe
Cheers…GO SHARKS!
Peter St. John
Clovis, CA
Sheng is a total doof clown..also..someone tell him to open his eyes for god sakes
No doubt about it Werenski is one of the best D out there, but because of his age and contract status I do not think he is the best fit. By the time the Sharks are true contenders, I believe this will be in 2-3 years, he will need a new contract at an enormous cap hit and by then he is not going to be in his prime. Ideally the best fit for the Sharks would be Moritz Seider or Jake Sanderson. One is 25 and the other is 23 and fit our true timeline window much better and on top of that they are on crazy good value contracts. Seider at 8.55M for 4 more years and Sanderson at 8.05M for 4 more years. Both aren't even at their full potential yet and if Grier could somehow grab one of them the Sharks are truly cooking with a real cup window! Basically I think going for Werenski and giving up something that involves Misa is a very risky unnecessary move as you are massively pushing the timeline to a win now when the team is clearly not ready, and that doesn't feel like a smart calculated risk considering the Sharks don't even have the signs of #1 goaltender for this win now move. Do you truly feel confident Askarov/Ned can win you a cup in the next 1-3 years? You are gambling like crazy that Asky has a big development year and when was the last time a goalie won the Cup that was under 25 years old? The Sharks mostly still have a ton of unknowns other than Celebrini as you saw from this season, heck their young core are basically 21 years old and under. Grier still needs time to see what he really has in players like Smith/Dickinson/Misa/Chernyshov before he goes for such a massive win now kind of move in my opinion.
Don't see anyone mad at Boyle on PO. He was right and we still need more assets. Hope Boyle get to work with our Ds not just Sam. It really does feel like we are not getting the most out of our backline. On Muk, just ignore Sheng. Grier said Muk played well toward the end overall. All the Ds had bad games but only Muk got scratched. Go with Boyle/Zubair's take. There's 3 guys saying the same thing but Sheng is blind. The forwards also need to come back to help the D. Orlov only has one year left. Next year, don't think the Sharks need to make the PO as long as they are building pieces. There's still too many holes in the roster like Grier said and they were only in PO bec of weak Pacific like Zubair said.