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Montreal won and will continue to show pluses in the future. They were not a contender and a good player in the race was traded at a premium .
Yes the team that won the cup won the trade. That's literally the point of the NHL. WINNING A CUP
AKAK THE GM BACK AT IT AGAIN (gimme thoughts in replies)
MTL gets : 2nd overall pick, Jesper Bratt, Damon Severson.
NJD gets : Jonathan Drouin, Jeff Petry, Ryan Peohling, 1st overall pick, 2022 3rd round pick.
What do u think, NJ gets 1st which confirms Slaf, replace Bratt with Drou, replace Severson with Petry, a 3rd and Peohling to make the deal sweeter and makes NJ ignore the contracts a bit less :). For the habs, same thing, Severson replaces Petry, Bratt replaces Drou, we get Wright (as NJ wont pick him bcuz they have enough centers, especially with Peohling coming as well), and a tiny bit of cap space (but we would also have to resign bratt as he is a RFA) peohling don't matter cuz he wont have room with Wright coming, Suzy, Dvo, Wright, Evans, see? no space for him, so he gone :), what do u think?
Lehkonen
As of right now, Colorado won the trade (and the cup). But it's too early to really tell, let's see what happens in 5-10 years
It was a decent trade for the Habs great trade for the Nordiques ( Avs ). Lehky scored 5 game winners and made a wicked pass to Kadri for the game 6 winner. Both teams did good on the trade, but Lehky did great. 👍🏻👍🏻
I think the Canadiens needs to build a new team but a rookie its not enough if we want to go to the playoff. I think we first need a new coach and i think the Finnish champion Jukka Jalonen will be a good start then i think we need a huge change we need better system to played this season we are a very bad team so i think we need players like Andrew Mangiapane,Vladimir Tarasenko,Sebastian Aho,Moritz Seider,Adam Larsson other options could be: Tobias Bjornfot,Tomas Hertl,Pierre Luc Dubois
it's a question if the Avs lost him, but they will keep him. He's a restricted free agent and so he could help them win another cup. There is no sure thing they will do it again. Avs won. Lets talk about the obvious though. The Avs won the Kadri trade with Toronto. lol. In fact, I wouldn't make a trade with Joe Sakic. He's seem to do everything right the last three years.
Lehkonen can't come back to Montreal. He's an RFA (by FOUR DAYS – if he had turned 27 on June 30th or earlier, he'd be UFA now, but his birthday is July 4) with arbitration rights. So he is not in control of his future, beyond rejecting the qualifying offer and opting for arbitration (and if he does so, he is allowing the Avs the opportunity to determine whether the awarded contract is for 1 or 2 years). I suppose he could also sign an offer sheet with the Habs, but the team would never do that – rebuilding teams don't generally give away draft picks to acquire middle-6 talent. So the only way he goes to Montreal is if Colorado TRADES his rights back to Montreal. I guess I could see the Avs DESIRING to trade Lehkonen to another team…he has proven that with the right center, he can be a pretty decent trigger-man, meaning that he's earned a substantial raise over the $2.3 million he made in 2021-22…but why would Montreal agree to a trade wherein they'd be on the hook for that raise (I could see him making up to $5 million AAV on his next contract, and the Habs are one of the LAST teams that would go for that).
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Lehkonen is traded – to a different team. Colorado doesn't have good choices here. They can overpay for a one-year contract with a player who (let's be honest) isn't going to get any better than he already is (i.e. his 2022 playoff performance is literally the pinnacle of his career, and it is unlikely to be repeated) – one year, $5 million dollars, and he's gone in 2023 (this could come about by arbitration too, if Lehkonen isn't happy with their qualifying offer). They can overpay LESS for a longer-term deal, say $4 million AAV for 5 years, and tie themselves to a declining player who will only earn that money in year 1 (and maybe year 2). Or they can get value for him now, and let another team pay him more than he's worth. But if they opt to trade him, the return won't be anywhere NEAR what he cost them to acquire. They might get a couple late-round picks for him (say a 3rd and a 5th)…or maybe a marginal prospect (who might turn into a 4th liner if he's super lucky) and a ~4th-round pick. If they're super fortunate, the team with whom they're trading is like…bad. But those teams are just as unlikely to want to overpay for what Lehkonen is, especially since they don't have the center talent to make him optimally effective. So it's probably going to be a team more like the LA Kings or Winnipeg Jets that wants him, or maybe Pittsburgh (who seem to accumulate players like Lehkonen and get a lot more out of them than you'd expect). And their picks are going to be of slightly lower value than same-round picks from the crappier teams.
Otherwise, a trade-and-sign could be worked out with a team that Lehkonen WANTS to go to. Maybe he'd take less money from such a team, which would enable them to give Colorado back better assets. That's perhaps the best outcome here for the Avs. Otherwise, they're kind of screwed. Lehkonen is a bargain add at $2.3 million with 50% salary retained. Next year, he might be legitimately worth $4 million to a team like Colorado. But a truly balanced long-term contract (his ACTUAL value to the Avs) would only pay him an AAV of maybe $3.25 million for 5 years, or $2.75 million for 7. And I just don't think Lehkonen would accept such low payment as a Cup champion who scored both the Conference-winning goal AND the Cup-winning goal.
Avs would have had a tougher time winning the cup without him avs win hands down do you see the habs winning the cup very soon I doubt it.
You know, typically a trade happens when both parties have something which the other one values more than they do and by exchanging these both sides are better off. The Avs are better off winning the cup with Lehkonen's help than having a draft pick and prospect who didn't even make the roster yet. The Habs are better off having a prospect who will be a contributor 2-3 years from now when their rebuild is over than having Lehkonen for 2 years in a team that very possibly won't even make the playoffs in either season (and a draft pick on top of that).
Both got more than they gave up. Avs won the cup so they already got as much value from the trade as they ever needed, with loads more to still come as well. Habs gave up a piece that had very little value to them and got something that has a significant expected value in the future. Without knowing how much of that expected value realizes in the future and what else they could've got for Lehkonen from someone else, it's impossible to say if they got the best value available. But nevertheless you can hardly say that they lost in the trade either.
0:39 Yes, the Avs 100% won that trade. The guy is absolutely clutch and a beast of a 200ft player and I don’t think the Avs win the cup without him. Scored the series clinching goals in both the WCF’s and Cup finals this year and did it last year in the WCF’s with the Habs. Hated losing Barron and I think this trade was good for Montreal who is rebuilding but the league is about winning cups and if a trade results in a cup, it’s a massive win for the team hoisting it. The only thing Lehky sucks at are interviews, LOL
You are 100% correct. You show a true understanding that is often not what we here from these types of sites. Very well said. Looking forward to future episodes. All the young defence Habs have are exciting.
I think both teams won
Um, obvious. Avs have the cup with some big plays Lehkonen and Montreal can rebuild for the next 100 years and never get the cup.
Seems like you have something against giving the Avs credit in their trades. First with the "fleeced" nonsense with Kuemper for paying market value (which is like ridiculing someone lately for paying $5/gal for gas), and now the best you can say for a player that was a key contributor to achieving the ultimate goal is that it was a draw or a "let's wait and see".
Even is Barron ends up being the greatest defensemen in history, unless he actually helps the Habs win a cup like Lehkonen did, Colorado would still be the winner of the trade. Plus Avalanche are probably the only team that can afford to give away someone like Barron since they are already so rich with young talented defensemen in Makar, Toews, Byram, and Girard.
Lethonen is the best 2 way player in the league since MSL SET HIM FREE TO PLAY HIS COMPLETE GAME AND HE WON THE FREEDOM TO BE EVERYTHING HE CAN BE! Lehtonen wins and he will decide his future I hope it's with the habs but he's free to choose. Lets set Brad Lambert free!…….today!
you do understand they have girade, makar and Byram, with the cap not going up that much the aves cant afford another great young d men what happens if he gets good, no way could you afford to keep all three
Win all around. Barron will develop nicely with Montreal and Lehk was awesome for us.
Depends on Barron. A likely late 2nd round pick is peanuts for Lekky. Lekky's numbers don't mean much, don't even worry about how clutch he is. He plays crazy hard, 200 ft possession fiend. Perfect all around pick up. I'd think he's a locker room all star.
One would have to assume that the Avs never got a real read on Barron, who like most kids remains a possible stud but not a lock. One would have to assume that because getting this much out of Lekky is a bit of a surprise, and while I'd trade a stud Barron for a Lekky today, I wouldn't have before seeing how bad Lekky wanted that cup, and how ready he was to take it. So to me Barron = hit or miss, and boy howdy would he have to hit for the Habs to win that trade. Lekky is a perfect fit, those 200 foot physical players are always such a bargain for what they bring, right as the avs finally reach their cap decisions phase.
I bet his motor is still going to this day.
The Habs were rebuilding and has to ship out guys. Lek is a good player but he wouldn’t have been around for the rebuild.
Win-win-I'm a Colorado fan,& said at the time of this trade-that obviously Claude Giroux is a better player than Lehkonen…but Lehkonen was a better fit for us. His strengths fit some of our weaknesses perfectly-where Giroux would've made strengths even stronger-but wouldn't fix any weaknesses.(except faceoffs).
But I also said Montreal got an awesome return in the deal. Not the insanity they got for massively overrated Ben Chirot-but still a very good return. It seemed everybody overpaid in the trades at this deadline-& we probably overpaid slightly for Lehkonen,& Manson-but both trades I thought were totally worth it-if they played somewhat prominent roles-in us at least reaching the Finals.
I didn't see Cogliano being near as important on the ice as he was-but figured off the ice-hed certainly be more than worth the 5th rounder we gave up.. As it turns out,out, 5th rounder for him was an unbelievable theft. Figuring what he meant on,& off the ice…& he just resigned for another season.
But what Montreal got for Chirot,& what Chicago got for Haigle were the 2 most extreme examples of massive overpays. I also said at the time,I'd give Montreal an A+-in the Lehkonen trade-cuz I think Baron will be a very good,top 4 dman,plus 2nd round pick. Now that we actually won the Cup,& he was so crucial-I think the Avs already deserve an A in the deal…an A+ themselves,if we end up signing Lehkonen long term,as they are trying to do right now. With him being a restricted FA,that's another key difference between Giroux. Great win for both sides,but Montreal with an edge,if we don't sign Lehkonen long term. But if we do-basically a wash both ways…as good of trade for BOTH SIDES,as you can possibly have in a trade. But not the massive fleecing they got for Chirot-whatever happens.
Way too early for this dude why make this video now?
Trying to assess who win or lost a trade or a draft the next day is an exercise in stupidity.
Best analysis of the trade that I have seen. Really nice job, JH. Both teams won? I think that's fair. What will make it crystal clear, of course, is the development and progress of Barron. Genuinely wish you well, Montreal. Hated to see our promising prospect go (but that Stanley Cup helps comfort me — haha!).
Both teams got exactly what they wanted at that point in time. Avs and Habs have very different basic needs at the moment.
Any team would make any trade to win the cup. Av's win!
He got the cup winning goal too ! Av definitely the winner.
Win-Win, but the Avalanche gets a bit more because Lehkonen was key in wining the cup. They saw something in him we didn’t: he was able to play on the top line at times. He’ll be a mainstay in Colorado for years to come. Could have been worth a little more but that’s ok.
Gee… Lehkonen got the series winner in the conference finals… and the stanley cup winner… and, you know, they WON A CUP… I wonder xD
Colorado won the trade. 🙂
Win/Win
Lekhy is a great and responsable player in both of ice he reach the stanley cup final with Habs and he reach the stanley cup with Av's.
I wish him all the best
Lehkonen won the trade because he proved his value to hockey. Habs are on their way to a cup and he would be a value at any price….love ya'!
And considering that the Avs were already the favourite to win it all the last 2 or maybe even 3 seasons even before the trade. I’d agree both teams won but Montreal needed it the most.
Dach, Slaf, Barron, Caufield, Suzuki. Pretty good future for Montreal.
The player, and both teams all won. Great return for MTL, Great player that helped COL win the cup, and Lehkonen got a Stanley cup
Well being that he is in a State that he is paying less taxes coming from the highest taxed state in North America where there is a ridiculous language war. He scored the GWG in OT to clinch the berth to SC finals multiple big goals since he was traded a great two way player. No matter how much time goes by unless The Hasbeenns win a SC the AVs Alley oop slam dunked this deal just like they always do when they trade with Montreal. The biggest winner though is Artturi.
I mean he scored the GWG to get to the finals and the Cup winning goal. Any GM in the league would have paid that trade cost for that. I think Barron will be a good NHL player so it should work for both teams. End of the day, the entire point is to win the Cup and Lehky was a HUGE factor for the Avs. And the Avs just signed him for 5 more years. Avs strength is the defense and so they had the luxury of trading Barron. I don't think this is a one team won scenario. Both teams got something very important to their organization. Also, funny how the Avs and Montreal trades seem to work well and result in the Avs winning Cups…
Lehky had the Stanley Cup winning goal, he was vital to the cup win, the Avs won the trade, doesn't mean the Habs did bad by any means but if you win the cup with a player as a major contributor, you won that trade.
The Av’s also signed Lehky to a 5 year contract, looking great for the Av’s.
The future looks looks good for the Habs.
Colorado won the Stanley Cup, Lecky scored the winning Goal! The Habs won't know what they got for a few years. Even if Barron turns into a real good player, Colorado won the Cup Lecky scored the game winning goal, Colorado and Lecky might not be done yet.
I would argue that montreal won the trade because of its very difficult cap situation. keeping Lehkonen instead of trading him would have been fine by me if it weren't for the cap crunch. Hughes not only got a solid return for this asset, its great asset and risk management. that being said, Colorado got exactly what it needed out of Lekhonen and then some, really a great trade for both, but an edge to montreal because of the predicament it was in.
The team with the cup.
Lehkonen was good in montreal but with colorado the stats was incredible,it will be a mistake for the Avalanche to let him go back to Montreal. Baron its a prospect not a star yet, so i think the avalanche wins this trade, its a shame we couldnt watch all the power Lehkonen has in the canadiens sometimes its a matter of team and connection maybe other players understand him better where to played and how to created lehkonens power.
You’d have to have a crystal ball to be able to tell. We didn’t get to see much from Barron before he got hurt, although we got to see a flash of brilliance when he scored his first goal as a Hab. If Barron turns out to be a stud, then I’d call it an even trade as Colorado got a solid 2-way forward that can score and who gets quality looks every game.