Les Sharks de San Jose ont échangé Mikael Granlund et Cody Ceci aux stars de Dallas. Était-ce la bonne décision? Spoiler: Sheng et Keegan ne sont pas d’accord! (2h30) En parlant de leadership de Granlund, il existe différents types de leadership. Comment Granlund se compare-t-il à JT Miller récemment à cet égard? (22:43) Y a-t-il plus de mouvements à venir pour les Sharks de San Jose, pourraient-ils faire quelque chose avec le choix des étoiles au premier tour? (25:15) Plus d’influence de Granlund sur les jeunes requins. (38:30) Keegan s’inquiète de la façon dont un contrat de San Jose avec Granlund aurait vieilli. (45:30) En quoi est-ce différent de la situation de Mackenzie Blackwood? (1:01:22) À quoi ressemble le reste de la saison pour les fans de San Jose Sharks? (1:13:30) Tout cela, et plus sur ce podcast Hockey de San Jose d’urgence.
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Yes, you are correct that Granlund was an excellent mentor for the European players in particular. I am hoping this is a boomerang trade in which Granlund plays for Dallas until end of this year, and then resigns with Sharks as a UFA. This would mean Sharks "lent" Granlund to Dallas for the second half of season and then got him right back for a late first round pick in 2025. In the UFA market, Granlund will probably get $6.5 million for 4 years to complete his NHL career. Granlund is smaller but feisty and intense player who never gives up. He has had some injuries slow him down but still good at special teams and overtime or shootout. Keeping Granlund for the sake of team chemistry would have been a risk to Mike Grier's plan which requires stocking up on more prospects. If Texas has lower taxes than California, then that could make Granlund move on.
The sad thing for Sharks fans is that Mike Grier has traded away their best player this year and so the rest of season will get much worse. Even missing Ceci will lead to more goals against, which Sharks did not need. Mike Grier just made Ryan Warsofsky's job as coach 10 times harder as he tries to repair team chemsitry and fill gaps left by the trade. I expect Sharks to trade Georgiev, Kunin and Sturm or at least 3 more players before the deadline. The 2024-25 team was improved but still did not have the right chemistry or mix of players, so the GM has to keep juggling players and trying new combinations. While Sharks are getting better, their competition is getting even better faster and keeping Sharks at the bottom of standings.
In terms of conversion of value then vs now, it's great. But he's played himself out of that valuation completely. Like in your last video about trading for Nemec, I thought signing and trading him with generous retention over the summer would increase his value by even more. I was surprised when Grier said he was the one who determined the price and Dallas matched it. I guess the market isn't as hungry for Granlund as I assumed?
Late-1st round picks are notoriously overvalued by GMs. I'm with Sheng on this one — it's a fine trade and maybe even an overpay for Granlund but I'd rather see him stay on and continue to mentor the kids. His statement makes me feel like he really would have preferred to stay, too.
Couldn’t disagree more w Sheng here.
I love the trade and think it was good value for both teams.
Now if Mike G can turn that Dal 1st, Ferraro, & Kunin/Sturm into Nemec this off-season.. that’d be the cherry on top.
Mike G couldn’t be nailing this rebuild any better. He’s basically flawless so far.
I liked:
Celebrini + Eklund + Toffoli
Granlund + Zetterlund + Smith
A veteran player per line, and both lines were getting chances.
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I feel that the Sharks are probably #32 and the Hawks are probably #31, after today's trade (as in final standings).
That means they have the #1 and #2 seed.
In the draft lottery, it is possible that neither wins 1st or 2nd pick, but that still guarantees at worst #3 and #4.
Personally, given the number of top defense prospects that Chicago already has, I don't see them wanting Schaefer even if they have the first pick.
I could see Chicago wanting one of Misa/Hagens/Martone and trading the #1 pick to one of the teams who has #2-#4.
The Sharks could conceivably give the Hawks a pick to get a player they want anyway and maybe the #20 or a prospect.
For the Sharks, with Dickinson in the system.
I think Schaefer would be a much better choice than the three forwards.
That would likely give them two defense pairings that are very solid.
Personally, if we don't get to select Schaefer, I'd like to select Misa.
I feel Misa/Smith and Celebrini/Eklund is the basis for two solid lines, with a very strong defensive player on each.
But I'd prefer Schaefer to anyone else in this upcoming draft.
In regards to your granlund take. He hasn’t resigned yet. Talks supposedly weren’t much if at all. We’re arguing over hypothetical he may want to stay because he seemed very happy. But with the fact of no contract extension. You’re risking a first for 28 games of leadership. No brainer you trade and look for the easier to obtain leadership player. Maybe you’re happy with Tyler, Alex W, vlassic for now. Plus Joe, patty, nabby, etc off the ice.
Ceci ate some tough minutes.
Kind of side with Sheng
Doesn't look like Logan is coming back. If he does,.. great.
This puts too much pressure on 18 year old Macklin up the middle.
Will they give Eklund some time at C?
Other options are Kunin 🤦🏽.. or Wennberg, who sometimes looks like maybe, yes, he can. Sometimes he looks like a face-off specialist that should be centering a 4th line
Does Will go back to the middle? Does Bords come up?
Couldn't disagree with Sheng more here. I figured we'd get a 2nd for granlund. Pulling a 1st that will probably be a part of another deal? Absolutely. Highly doubt Granlund was staying unless we drastically overpaid him and screw ourselves for the future. 28 more games of leadership doesn't outweigh that pick.
Sheng comes off really obnoxious here. Constantly cutting off Keegan when he disagrees. Sounds like a butthurt fan who claims to not be a fan.
Who else is moving? Kunin? Mario? Rutta? Sturm?
I'm still shaking my head, Grier had a couple seasons to move Barabanov for a 3rd or so and took too long
Looking more unlikely as he keeps rising in rankings but using that first round pick and other picks to trade up for Carter Bear would be fire
Depending on who you listen to about the upcoming draft, there isn't a lot of difference in quality of prospects after the 10th pick. I thought someone said after 15, which I tend to agree with, but again, you're going to have guys in the late first round and the second round that outperform their draft position. This is where your scouts get paid to deliver. I would think that in this draft Grier may keep the Dallas 1st and the early 2nd rounder for more chances to hit on a player, but he could use them in a trade package for a prospect, or use them to move up in the first round if they like someone. He seems to have a pattern of going that route over keeping and picking. My thinking is that he doesn't really have the assets to package to get much of a return. Granlund was pretty much it. Toffoli is about the only other option to provide a good return as part of a package (without dipping into your younger players) but he would have to agree to be moved, which I doubt happens.
I totally agree with Sheng on Granlund. The sharks need him way more than the next team. How many “veterans” are they going to take a swing on over the next 3 yrs just trying to replace what Granlund provides? There is a time cost to this as well that needs to be properly weighted in the decision process (which seems to be lacking). The only other idea is if they needed the 1st round pick as part of a mega package for bringing in someone in the offseason like Marner (although I hope not).
Too many goober online fans get so sucked into “+EV valueeeee and assetssss”. Granlund should have been re-signed. The stars are going back to the WCF which means this is a pick in 28-30 range. THERE ARE NOT ANY IMPACT PROSPECTS IN THAT RANGE! You’re “hoping” to find a 3rd line forward or a solid 5D that can carry a 3rd pair. You can find the same caliber player in the 2nd round. The only “picks” that are significant are top 15 picks.
The only positive to this deal is we don’t have to watch Cody Ceci anymore.
Happy with the trade. Ceci has been garbage and Granlund has been inconsistent this season. Signing Granlund to a long term contract would have kept me up at night, if I was Grier.