Dylan Larkin, Patrick Kane, Moritz Seider et Todd McLellan parlent avec les médias après le match de Détroit contre les Canadiens de Montréal.
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Dylan Larkin, Patrick Kane, Moritz Seider et Todd McLellan parlent avec les médias après le match de Détroit contre les Canadiens de Montréal.
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Tank for the draft
being a red wings fan is brutal
Do these guys not realize the season was over tonight?
Thanks Yzerfart
You blew it, you stupid idiotic RED WINGS! WTH IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH NOT STARTING COSSA?! He was really ready to lead us into the playoffs! So much for the Yzerplan! Now I have to wait until next year! Stupid helmet rule!
I just cried and cried. I don’t even last year because it was fun to watch them the last couple weeks. Now it’s just depressing
Brutal. Larkin going through this same emotion year after year.
Dead Wings are here to stay.
Nice jab at Yzerman on that look what happen after the trade deadline in our conference good job larks!!! Let em hear it!!!
Too much rubbish on the roster. Truthfully I never wana see most of this team in a Wings uni again. We are such a soft touch it's embarrassing. All these huge guys and none of them are even remotely physical. Showed some great stuff in the first but this teams lack of offensive skill is a joke. Just want this season over now so I can watch Yzerman sign more rubbish free agents or rubbish guys from Michigan.
A lot of people (myself included) have been frustrated with Steve Yzerman's endless patience and the seemingly stagnant results of the team the past few seasons. I believe that these particular results are in line with Yzerman's vision for the team and his 10-year plan that began when Yzerman was hired in 2019. Unfortunately, this phase of the plan is the most frustrating as a fan. Here's what I think Yzerman sees:
PHASE I: the "bad years" and building the core (2019-22)
When Yzerman was first hired, the only core member of the team was Dylan Larkin. Other key players like Anthony Mantha, Andreas Athanasiou, Tyler Bertuzzi, and Filip Hronek were all complementary players who Yzerman traded away for future assets. Our prospect group was below average as well; only Rasmussen, Veleno, and Berggren have become NHLers, all playing bottom six roles.
Yzerman knew that the next three years would be spent building the core through the next four drafts. Seider (2019), Raymond (2020), Edvinsson (2021), Cossa (2021), and Kasper (2022) were all selected and seem to be a big part of the future. Presumably, Yzerman believed that these players would be coming into the NHL during the next five seasons and gaining valuable experience.
Additionally, Jeff Blashill's contract would be up in 2022. Yzerman decides to ride out his contract and secure top draft picks for Detroit. These three seasons will be bad hockey but key to creating the team's core. This is essentially what happens, with Detroit securing the 4th, 6th, and 8th overall picks, who, so far, have all panned out.
PHASE II: the transitional period (2022-25)
By 2022, the team should be ready for improvements. Yzerman hires a new coach, Derek Lalonde. 2022-23, in particular, is a big transition. If you're Yzerman, you know this season will be the one where you jump from a bottom five team to a team (hopefully) playing meaningful games to at least the mid-point of the season. It's also Lalonde's first season as an NHL coach and Raymond and Seider's sophomore years. Lots of building.
This, of course, is what happens, as the Red Wings finish with 80 points, a 6 point improvement; they play meaningful games until the end of February until they collapse against Ottawa. You then go into the next season optimistically, hoping to be in the hunt for a wild card.
This coincides with Yzerman's offseasons in 2022 and 2023, where, rather than signing below average veterans to one- or two-year deals to fill gaps, he signs longer contracts, guys like Chiarot, Copp, and Compher (4/5 years), to truly improve the team.
2023-24 goes to plan (despite another collapse), as the team finishes with 91 points, only being eliminated on the last day of the season. You've gotten major steps taken by Raymond and Seider, along with Edvinsson getting called up and playing big minutes in big games.
Then, 2024-25, the same is expected, however, there's a snag. The team gets off to a poor start, and Yzerman has to fire Lalonde. However, to keep the plan on track, Yzerman hires veteran coach Todd McLellan instead of going with an interim. Yzerman also states his expectations for the team this season, competing for the wild card. McLellan gets the team back on track (despite recent the collapse), and Detroit is competing into April.
During this time, we've haven't seen Yzerman make any moves that give up future assets for current; the only move similar to that he's made is for DeBrincat, which sent Boston's first round pick, acquired in the Bertuzzi deal, for DeBrincat, so, still not giving up their own futures.
This is the most frustrating part of the "rebuild." The team is in hockey purgatory. Probably not good enough to make the playoffs (although it's not out of the question) but not bad enough for a top five pick.
PHASE III: a consistent playoff team (2025-28)
The next three seasons (2025-26, 2026-27, 2027-28) the team needs to be a playoff team. The previous three seasons were a lot of hoping, and while you'd ideally like to be in the playoffs, it's not off-course to miss. By now, though, you should be past that, and you should have taken the next step.
The team should be a consistent playoff team but they aren't quite yet a Stanley Cup contender. You'll make the playoffs, but you will see some first- and second-round exits. Your young core guys will also gain valuable playoff experience.
During this time, your core draft picks from 2019-22, and most likely 2023 and 2024, will be on the team. The cap also rises significantly and there will be some big name free agents out there. The team will have young players on ELCs and Yzerman has the opportunity to add some high end talent with the projected cap space.
That's why I believe its imperative Yzerman goes after a big name this offseason. It's uncertain if the current core can make the jump. They need help and this offseason is the perfect one to add it.
PHASE IV: Stanley Cup contenders (2028-??)
By this time, Yzerman will be in his ninth year as GM. Players like Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson, and Kasper will all be in their prime. One or both of Cossa and Augustine will be backstopping the team in net. Sandin-Pellikka, Danielson, Mazur, and perhaps Lombardi, Buchelnikov, Wallinder, etc. will have been in the league for around two to three years. Larkin will be 32, certainly out of his prime, but hopefully good enough to continue to be a piece while the younger guys take the torch.
This is where we get to the end of the ten-year plan. Their Cup window will likely open around 2027 or 2028. They'll be in year two-ish of being a Cup contender in 2029, Yzerman's tenth with the team. Of course, a lot of this depends on Yzerman's core guys developing, and, Yzerman having enough confidence in his group to add high end players in free agency.
TLDR: In conclusion, as much as Yzerman sitting on his hands is frustrating, and I think he should've let Lalonde go sooner, it seems clear the direction he sees the team going. Like 2022 was a transitional year from the basement, the 2025 offseason should be a transitional one from being in purgatory to a consistent playoff team. This offseason will be incredibly important. With McLellan at the helm, Yzerman should have more confidence in the team.
My confidence in him as GM is a little shaky, but if he utilizes this offseason correctly, the team should be going in the right direction
Credit to wingedw33l on reddit
This just sucks man…. There is no light at the end of the tunnel, at this rate buffalo is gonna get to the playoffs before us. Maybe then fans will realize that maybe their golden boy Yzerman isn't the right GM to get us over the hump….
My problem is that we let FA's walk at the end of last season and then signed FA"s that weren't as good to replace them. Then at the trade deadline Yzerman decided that this team wasn't good enough to spend money on to sign players that could actually help. Then why didn't we sell? This makes zero sense to me, now we're stuck in the mushy middle and aren't going to get a higher pick in the draft. I'm really frustrated!
You just can't have guys like Justin Holl on your team in these kind of games.
Please buy out holl, and just let ASP step in he will be way more mobile. As well as don’t fuckin resign petry
I wish we were mushy middle. We are worse
also, top line trio should have been together all year from game 1 on. Lalonde screwed up and Todd inherited his screwup and ran w it until it was too late. that line together is now winning 20-8 the last 2 seasons. Larkin and Raymond together are a minus the last 2 seasons. Larkin Ray Cat are -4 together this season. .
Holl's such a liability it's not even funny …
Talbot has played out of his mind this season. His stats this year won't wow you on paper but I lost count of how many games he stole for us this year. Until Cossa gets ready, Talbot/Mrazek/Lyon is pretty decent bang for buck but we need all 3 in case of injury.
Im convinced we do need a game breaking star yet. Raymond could devlop into that but it remains to be seen. Do we sign Mitch Marner to the biggest contract in the league? I'm not so sure about that. But if we could get him for even 12 mill I'm inclined to believe it's worth a shot. Even a guy like Ehlers to bolster the top 6 would be nice. Kasper is looking like he could be a nice 50+ point scorer in the future at the 2C, I'm just spitballing
The guys should have been actors instead of on ice personalities
See you folks next season!
seems like if razor would of scored that break away goal instead blowing it over the top of the net game would have went the other way around?! still not totally out but not winning has surely made it extremely difficult! 🤷♂️🥲🤷♂️
I wish larks go off the books and just not be generic.. Say we fucking lost. It fucking sucks. I'm mad. And we shouldn't be here
Face it, the wings do not any elite hockey players…
Goodnight the party's over
How would you like to be a Toronto fan they will be out in the first round
Justin Holl for your Norris Trophy Consideration, move over Makar!
Habs fan: trying to make the playoffs every year in a rebuild?? Play stupid games win groundhog day year after year
Too much dead weight on this team. Getting Todd at Christmas was great but should’ve been a month earlier easily. 4 nations tournament killed the momentum and losing Copp may have been worse than we all thought. Petry, holl, tarasenko, motte, ras, berggren, compher, gotta go.
Copp and Compher have been the biggest disappointments. Those two just aren't FINISHERS and that's what we need. Like Cat, Larks and Showtime.
Doing NOTHING at the deadline was F'n stupid. Either TANK for a great pic or go all in. Now we pick like fricking 12-16th. LAME
What an absolute disappointing BLOWOUT tarakenko was. Got to be one of the worst signings since Holl or Weiss.
It's pretty much over. Yzerman better make some moves and get rid of Holl and Tarasenko for future considerations. I pray ASP makes the team next season.
It’s been fun , I will continue to say 19 let them down they needed help and he did nothing ! But it has been exciting sorry to see it end !
The trade deadline is not the problem. If you have someone who believes this is the group of guys who can do it, then the group should be able to make it to the playoffs. The fact that the team turned this whole season around after Christmas and have an actual chance is a miracle. The problem is the coaching occurred way too late. We lost to many games in the beginning and it set us so far behind. Hats off to the Canadians goalie for a brilliant goal tending game
Finished….thanks for playing & letting everyone down AGAIN
Can we call up Sandin-Pellikka now?
With so much fire power, so much offense, especially in that first period, very hard to believe you only got 1 goal. To Cam, Alex, Petr, Sebastian, its hard seeing your team putting in so much effort and not getting anything more than 1 goal. Keep your heads up, you guys have had some big games and big saves, keep up the great work boys
The worst part about it is losing to the horrible frogs in Montreal. Can't win with 8 real NHL players. Make better choices Stevie.
It is what it is, RW fans. Once I let go of fan bias and took off the beer goggles, the anger left. Our D once again showed why we aren't making the playoffs. Holl, though getting the least ice, was a complete liability again, dragging Johanssen down with him. We have too many of the same player: Motte, Smith, Ras, Compher, Tarasenko, Copp. Our bottom 4 D and bottom 6 F are lacking. You can only have 2 of those players, not 6. Tarasenko just blows my mind. He is cursed playing for the wings. It's like anything he touches turns to shit. I can't blame goaltending for our struggles. If they received the support from Defence they should have; we wouldn't be talking about other goalie options.
Silver lining is, we have a good top 6, we have 3 strong D. We have Elmer progressing, we have ASP and MBN on the rise. Stevie gotta retool this offseason. Feel like a broken record, and feels like been saying this since 2017, but we NEED a solid right-handed puck-moving D man.
I am not judging Stevie up to this point, but I am judging him by what he does this off-season. LFGRW
Is anybody surprised that we didn't make the playoffs? For christ's sake, we just needed a little boost from last year, instead our roster got worse. Stevie Y is a hometown hero to me as well but it's only right he takes some flack after the lack of roster progression from last year. He will be under a microscope this offseason. If he doesn't wow me and make up for last year, I will remain skeptical……We give away Walman but keep Justin Holl for about the same price. Make it make sense. As fans that move was downright insulting to our intelligence. I haven't been able to seriously watch the team since our last win streak that held my hope up
Let’s be real here. The stupid helmet rule cost us that game. They were very solid until that point.
I'm sorry boys Too soon
1st period you guys looked great
It'll be wonderful when you break through
It's a young team You guys will be more ready for the next marathon with more experience
Team is an absolute joke
Season had some good moments. On the whole tho it’s been woefully pathetic
Anyone surprised. Yzerman has failed for two years now. Not sure how you can’t even find decent free agents every year, then tell us the youth is coming and six years in are nowhere to be found. The deadwings are alive.
Kane is the ONLY player that has been playing good
Larks does not inspire. A captain should lead the team. The only inspiration the Wings have is to lay down for a nap. "Have a good summer, boyz."
Larkin is insufferable after a loss and Todd is obviously at a loss. The guy's a good coach and just doesn't have the horses. This team's performance is on Yzerman.