No GM in the league could fix this club. How many years do we need to waste on Matthews? I don't think we are a few players away from winning. Instead of bringing in another GM to waste assets and time only to miss the playoffs again, let's wake the Fuck up and start the sell off. We need to draft a MacKinnon, McDavid, or Celebrinni to build on, no more Gucci bag buying bitches eating up maximum team salary to float around on the ice like ballerinas!
Darkness falls across the Leafs land The midnight Trade-line hour is close at hand Leafs Creatures crawl in search of pucks To terrorize y’all’s Leaf Fans neighbourhood And whosoever Leaf’s players shall be found Without the Mathews soul for getting down Must stand and face the Hounds of Leafs Fans Hell And rot inside Leaf’s season corpse’s shell The foulest stench is in the Scotia Bank air The funk of Fifty Seven thousand years And grizzly Fools from every Leafs tomb Are closing in to seal Leafs players doom And though Leafs fight to stay alive Their body starts to shiver For no mere Leaf’s fans can resist The evil of the Leafs thriller Killers
AH HA HA HA HA HA HA AH HA HA HA HA HA HA (FADE) A HA HA HA HA HA HA….
Dale , We completely agree with your point of a complete rebuild and it is the only option the team will have a brighter future. I hope there are more media or analysis people out there are as smart and intelligent as you. Majority of them solely focus on the micro aspects of trading Mcmann & other insignificant pieces on the team. The issues I have and other true intelligent Leafs fans with all of them are: they all carry a shallow point of view by saying keeping Auston 34 and William 88 is a must. We agree with you the selling should be start from them 34&88 , the reason are as follows. 1. With all the established top teams in the division are continuing being strong , with all the younger weaker teams all had woken up , the chances this Leafs team will be back in the playoffs next season are extremely slim. Mapping out a plan for the roster movement as if this Leafs team should be back in playoff next season is naive and unrealistic. 2. For them to be competitive, This Leafs team need to acquire or sign a first line left and right wingers, a solid 70 points second line centre and a reliable second line right winger, a top number one D , two more reliable D core with speed, a healthy top goalie , a third line wingers who can defend and contribute when the first two lines dry up. There are overwhelm of positions to upgrade , is unrealistic to achieve before Matthew contracts expire. 3. Matthew value in the trading market is the highest at this moment with him having a fragile back, is a matter of months he will has his injury again and back to LTIR, if the team records next seasons as most of us expect ( out of playoff picture) , by then if he hurt his back again as usual, his trading value will drop significantly. 34 is the only blue chip which give us the highest return, if the management miss this golden opportunity, the Leafs nation will have to bare a minimum of 15 years of a rebuilding process from today. Since LA, Chicago, San Jose are teams which are positioning lower in their division, having a few first-round picks from them will be more benefit than trading Matthew to a play-off Team. However, if the Team have already acquire the first line Centre next year , meaning the number of teams chasing for Matthew from the bottom tier of the Pacific division will be much less. Therefore trading him now is the best timing. 4. With this declining Leafs team ,The chances of Matthew resigning are extremely low, if the management wait until he announcing he is not resigning to trade him , the value compare to now will drop significantly. 5. Trading Matthew back to USA Teams will benefits the Leafs, the Kings and Matthew himself who should love playing in LA. 6. If they trade 34, then mind as well trading 88 at his prime Is a correct strategic move. 7. Although MLSE, are not anticipate the Leafs missing the playoffs next year, however they need to accept the reality and they need to be accountable and bare the consequence for hiring Treliving and a European Golf. Tour guy to run the most valuable hockey team in the league.
Another thing, McMann is talked about with Edmonton as a possible landing spot…they don't have a first round pick this year. Lol. Maybe 2027. We're so screwed.
First of all you will never see Mathews better than he is, the proof is in the putting,Mathews or Willy Bystander will not lead This Team to the promised land. Second,Chief lost the room ,No leaf players agree with chiefs North South style.Third NMC is a huge problem. Fourth Leaf’s have no value in their dog shit players much less nothing in their cupboard . Fifth Leaf’s look unattached No will to play with their teammates. Six Pelle is not the person to care about the fan base except generating revenue for the suits.Finally Tanking the team will go from bad to worse.You won’t see Leaf’s any better for another 10 yrs. . There’s a Wall n the leafs are hitting it
Let’s face it if Matthews was less of a drip, he would still be accepted- but the truth is, he’s an absolute stick in the mud – fake disinterested and zero personality – and we all know this.. trade him yesterday
This team is going to go through this type of season for atleast a few years, They are going to be bad for at least the next 3 to 5 years. They can't retool, They don't have the picks or the prospect pool to do that. This is a rebuild and if they are lucky it works and they start getting better in 3 to 5 years or they don't get lucky and they end up like Buffalo who took 14 years to get better, Detroit 9 years to get better. They are one of the oldest teams in the league and no matter what GM you get this team has no first round pick this year, only 3 picks in the draft and very little draft capital going forward. To top it off their prospect pool is ranked 25th in the league by pro scouting. Can't expect a quick fix through free agency, This years free agency pool is weak and what top free agents going forward are going to want to sign with a team that's going to be a shit show for 3 to 5 years when they can sign with top teams instead.
Pelle, treiliving, down need to be shown the door………. Keep a few and sell the rest……………… rebuild and yes it will be some painful years coming up ……….. but this shit is bad enough…….👀🫣🙄🤢🤮💩😷 #pathetic #leafsarecursed
If you don't trade Matthews this rebuild will take an additional five years. OI agree, trade Matthews while his value is at it's peak. Why waste his talent, why waste all those years and really, how do you rebuild after the generational damage the Big Top Clowntown Duo Dubas & Shanahan caused?
In any rebuild a team MUST have a healthy system with picks and prospects. You don't have to have a bunch of top drawer picks and prospects, but you do need a healthy mixture! Dubas and Shanahan devestated this team's future for decades!! I went through and did a comprehensive study of all the trades those two buffoons made, all the value that they shipped out and everything they brought back in, and that was NOT even a close percentage of value out value in because they had ZERO experience besides Dubas' minor league experience, and he kept doing a rerun – he kept swapping picks and prospects for rentals HE KNEW HE COULD NOT KEEP, COULD NOT RESIGN!!!
I was SHOCKED at the damage those two were permitted to cause, and the team was about to re-up Dubas, and they did keep Shanahan! It takes YEARS to build up a system of picks and prospects and the Leafs ownership, who knew they were gonna sell the team, at least I hope they did because if they were planning on keeping it they screwed themselves hard for no reason! I assume they believed the team was going to be sold and theyw ere going for broke trying to win a cup before they turned it over to someone else.
So, let's say the team does tear it back to the rafters, think about what they could get in the very best scenario, how far will that haul tak the team because they have very, VERY little left besides what they could get trading away the current crop. Nope, the prospects for the Leafs are far, far more grim than we're being told fellas.
And you cannot blame Treliving! He was somehow able to greatly, vastly improve this team's dead defence when he came on board with literally eff all to work with! He should get a reward for what he was able to pull of!! And you might say, well, what's he done lately? WITH WHAT TO WROK WITH???!!
tHAT'S THE POINT, THE SWINEAMIC DUO CAUSED GENERATIONAL DAMAGE TRADING AWAY THIS TEAM'S FUTURE AND GETTING VERY LITTLE BACK BECAUSE THEY HAD NO EXPERIENCE, THEY WERE A ONE TRICK PONY WHO KEPT COMING BACK SEASON AFTER SEASON DUMPING OUT THE TREASURY FOR A BAG OF ROCKS AND HAPPY ENDINGS THAT NEVER CAME!!
I'm 63 so I remember how many years Sundin, when he was in his prime, had sweet eff all on his flanks to work with and I felt his frustration but the man never said a word, he sucked it up like a good Leaf captain and he carried on carrying on!! The best the team did by Mats was picking up Mogilney after his prime but then he was send down to the second line after a couple of months to spred the love because the second line was perpetually thin also!!
If Matthews had legitimate wingers he would be breaking records at an even faster rate and perhaps this team would be rolling down shit muffin hill toward sweet piss pond right now!
In short, we are effed!! So, boot Treliving if you must, but A) He's not the problem and B) No self respecting top level GM will want the job knowing what the real situation is!!
The stupidity goes back to a team that any legitimate GM would tear out an enraged grizzly bear's colon and slap a rabid skunk's ass with it just to be on a list in a hat to get the job, and THEY DECIDED TO GO WITH DUBAS AND SHANAHAN!!
Yes, they made the team respectable with a whole bunch of playoff runs, and even got past the first round…ONCE!! If that does it for ya, then great! The Leafs fooled us all and picked up two unpolished turds who got the job semi done!! If you're happy with that then GREAT JOB captain Highswiner!
If I was the coach with this team this year I would have just went with a 95% offensive game. I would have traded Stolarz and Hildeby would be the number 1. Have at it boys! It was PAINFULLY obvious this team were NEVER gonna be happy playing a defensive game, period.
Austin is on the phone with mitch …who's sitting beside his pool in Vegas..counting his money in peace…believe me..he'll agree to a trade…7 team no go list..the Canadian teams. And I don't blame him
Matthews, and Reilly for sure, ask if they want to stick around. If not start making some moves now. Nylander can go too. Not Canadian boys,,, Stanley Cup is not their top priority. Get some tough as shit young guys . Good old Canadian boys. I think for sure they have to get rid of one goalie, cause they will lose one next fall through waivers. Keep Laughton and McMann. They are tough in your nose hard players that give 100% effort.
People think pics are next years solution … Pics are 3 years from now solution.. Cowan is a 2023 1st round pic… now a rookie, sitting in the pressbox .. Do the math, low IQ fans.. LOL. Only rookies prospects. turn next year around.. if they catch upto speed..
#1 problem is Berube and his injury-prone Tardation called North-South .. Berube is the lowest IQ NHL coach , I ever seen.. Anybody supporting injury-prone N-S,, is an idiot… or just hates his entire roster and wants to destroy everyone around them.. Which is it ? The Elephant in the room is … Berube is the ENTIRE problem. He is a complete braindead concussed moron.
Is McMann 'ASKING" for 5×5 ? Or is it just BS media stating he is worth that over-bloated amount.. 99% is always just BS media speculation with zero sources.
I’m with you boys. I’m in my 50s. I’ve seen a lot of bad hockey. The 80s come to mind but I’ll tell you something rebuild 100% everybody’s bag should be packed including the coach and the GM love the podcast boys listening to you from Bracebridge 👍
They've been here before. This team, as a group, can't play together or in this system. Cupboard is bare, no prospects, no picks….time to go get some. More of a rebuild than a retool is needed. Trelliving, Berube et al need to be let go.
Trade Matthews is the only option, trust me. No move clause, no problem. Tell him we are not re-signing him, tell him you are rebuilding full stop and demand a 5 team option. Make that Yankee miserable.
They could win with Matthews and Nylander on the team sure, if that team is as stacked as Matthews' US olympic team. Otherwise, who's gonna do the heavy lifting? Those two pu55ies?
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No GM in the league could fix this club. How many years do we need to waste on Matthews? I don't think we are a few players away from winning. Instead of bringing in another GM to waste assets and time only to miss the playoffs again, let's wake the Fuck up and start the sell off. We need to draft a MacKinnon, McDavid, or Celebrinni to build on, no more Gucci bag buying bitches eating up maximum team salary to float around on the ice like ballerinas!
They have nothing to do something with…McMann and OEL are old, they are not getting first rounders for two question marks.
Matthews got his gold medal so now he doesn't care anymore
“THRILLER KILLER”
Darkness falls across the Leafs land
The midnight Trade-line hour is close at hand
Leafs Creatures crawl in search of pucks
To terrorize y’all’s Leaf Fans neighbourhood
And whosoever Leaf’s players shall be found
Without the Mathews soul for getting down
Must stand and face the Hounds of Leafs Fans Hell
And rot inside Leaf’s season corpse’s shell
The foulest stench is in the Scotia Bank air
The funk of Fifty Seven thousand years
And grizzly Fools from every Leafs tomb
Are closing in to seal Leafs players doom
And though Leafs fight to stay alive Their body starts to shiver
For no mere Leaf’s fans can resist
The evil of the Leafs thriller Killers
AH HA HA HA HA HA HA
AH HA HA HA HA HA HA
(FADE) A HA HA HA HA HA HA….
Abd our scouts are so great…lol
Boston has 2 first round picks in a very strong draft year…they have 5 more picks, we have 3 lousy late picks…
Dale , We completely agree with your point of a complete rebuild and it is the only option the team will have a brighter future. I hope there are more media or analysis people out there are as smart and intelligent as you. Majority of them solely focus on the micro aspects of trading Mcmann & other insignificant pieces on the team. The issues I have and other true intelligent Leafs fans with all of them are: they all carry a shallow point of view by saying keeping Auston 34 and William 88 is a must. We agree with you the selling should be start from them 34&88 , the reason are as follows.
1. With all the established top teams in the division are continuing being strong , with all the younger weaker teams all had woken up , the chances this Leafs team will be back in the playoffs next season are extremely slim. Mapping out a plan for the roster movement as if this Leafs team should be back in playoff next season is naive and unrealistic.
2. For them to be competitive, This Leafs team need to acquire or sign a first line left and right wingers, a solid 70 points second line centre and a reliable second line right winger, a top number one D , two more reliable D core with speed, a healthy top goalie , a third line wingers who can defend and contribute when the first two lines dry up. There are overwhelm of positions to upgrade , is unrealistic to achieve before Matthew contracts expire.
3. Matthew value in the trading market is the highest at this moment with him having a fragile back, is a matter of months he will has his injury again and back to LTIR, if the team records next seasons as most of us expect ( out of playoff picture) , by then if he hurt his back again as usual, his trading value will drop significantly. 34 is the only blue chip which give us the highest return, if the management miss this golden opportunity, the Leafs nation will have to bare a minimum of 15 years of a rebuilding process from today.
Since LA, Chicago, San Jose are teams which are positioning lower in their division, having a few first-round picks from them will be more benefit than trading Matthew to a play-off Team. However, if the Team have already acquire the first line Centre next year , meaning the number of teams chasing for Matthew from the bottom tier of the Pacific division will be much less. Therefore trading him now is the best timing.
4. With this declining Leafs team ,The chances of Matthew resigning are extremely low, if the management wait until he announcing he is not resigning to trade him , the value compare to now will drop significantly.
5. Trading Matthew back to USA Teams will benefits the Leafs, the Kings and Matthew himself who should love playing in LA.
6. If they trade 34, then mind as well trading 88 at his prime Is a correct strategic move.
7. Although MLSE, are not anticipate the Leafs missing the playoffs next year, however they need to accept the reality and they need to be accountable and bare the consequence for hiring Treliving and a European Golf. Tour guy to run the most valuable hockey team in the league.
Another thing, McMann is talked about with Edmonton as a possible landing spot…they don't have a first round pick this year. Lol. Maybe 2027. We're so screwed.
First of all you will never see Mathews better than he is, the proof is in the putting,Mathews or Willy Bystander will not lead This Team to the promised land. Second,Chief lost the room ,No leaf players agree with chiefs North South style.Third NMC is a huge problem. Fourth Leaf’s have no value in their dog shit players much less nothing in their cupboard . Fifth Leaf’s look unattached No will to play with their teammates. Six Pelle is not the person to care about the fan base except generating revenue for the suits.Finally Tanking the team will go from bad to worse.You won’t see Leaf’s any better for another 10 yrs. . There’s a Wall n the leafs are hitting it
Let’s face it if Matthews was less of a drip, he would still be accepted- but the truth is, he’s an absolute stick in the mud – fake disinterested and zero personality – and we all know this.. trade him yesterday
Canadian Players for the Leafs a must.
Tampa fan here, humor me. Point and two first round picks for Austin?
Matthews is the worse captain leafs have ever had.
This team is going to go through this type of season for atleast a few years, They are going to be bad for at least the next 3 to 5 years. They can't retool, They don't have the picks or the prospect pool to do that. This is a rebuild and if they are lucky it works and they start getting better in 3 to 5 years or they don't get lucky and they end up like Buffalo who took 14 years to get better, Detroit 9 years to get better. They are one of the oldest teams in the league and no matter what GM you get this team has no first round pick this year, only 3 picks in the draft and very little draft capital going forward. To top it off their prospect pool is ranked 25th in the league by pro scouting. Can't expect a quick fix through free agency, This years free agency pool is weak and what top free agents going forward are going to want to sign with a team that's going to be a shit show for 3 to 5 years when they can sign with top teams instead.
He probably wants out after the clown liberal media gave him a hard time about the white House thing
Do you guys actually think any Leaf player survives the market here if they refuse to consider moving? That includes Reilly and 34.
Trade 34, 44, DJ, Macelli, Domi, Benny, OEL for a first ,2nd and roster player, take away Janckock parking pass entry
I would waive MR now and see what teams are desperate
Pelle, treiliving, down need to be shown the door………. Keep a few and sell the rest……………… rebuild and yes it will be some painful years coming up ……….. but this shit is bad enough…….👀🫣🙄🤢🤮💩😷
#pathetic
#leafsarecursed
I agree matthews and nylander need to go keep Tavares and knies riley gone to
There's tons of Marlies they can bring up to me riley oel McMan domi gone stretcher gone one of goalie gone stolarz or woll go get picks
Matthews to Edmonton for mcdavid
If you don't trade Matthews this rebuild will take an additional five years.
OI agree, trade Matthews while his value is at it's peak. Why waste his talent, why waste all those years and really, how do you rebuild after the generational damage the Big Top Clowntown Duo Dubas & Shanahan caused?
In any rebuild a team MUST have a healthy system with picks and prospects. You don't have to have a bunch of top drawer picks and prospects, but you do need a healthy mixture! Dubas and Shanahan devestated this team's future for decades!! I went through and did a comprehensive study of all the trades those two buffoons made, all the value that they shipped out and everything they brought back in, and that was NOT even a close percentage of value out value in because they had ZERO experience besides Dubas' minor league experience, and he kept doing a rerun – he kept swapping picks and prospects for rentals HE KNEW HE COULD NOT KEEP, COULD NOT RESIGN!!!
I was SHOCKED at the damage those two were permitted to cause, and the team was about to re-up Dubas, and they did keep Shanahan! It takes YEARS to build up a system of picks and prospects and the Leafs ownership, who knew they were gonna sell the team, at least I hope they did because if they were planning on keeping it they screwed themselves hard for no reason! I assume they believed the team was going to be sold and theyw ere going for broke trying to win a cup before they turned it over to someone else.
So, let's say the team does tear it back to the rafters, think about what they could get in the very best scenario, how far will that haul tak the team because they have very, VERY little left besides what they could get trading away the current crop.
Nope, the prospects for the Leafs are far, far more grim than we're being told fellas.
And you cannot blame Treliving! He was somehow able to greatly, vastly improve this team's dead defence when he came on board with literally eff all to work with! He should get a reward for what he was able to pull of!! And you might say, well, what's he done lately? WITH WHAT TO WROK WITH???!!
tHAT'S THE POINT, THE SWINEAMIC DUO CAUSED GENERATIONAL DAMAGE TRADING AWAY THIS TEAM'S FUTURE AND GETTING VERY LITTLE BACK BECAUSE THEY HAD NO EXPERIENCE, THEY WERE A ONE TRICK PONY WHO KEPT COMING BACK SEASON AFTER SEASON DUMPING OUT THE TREASURY FOR A BAG OF ROCKS AND HAPPY ENDINGS THAT NEVER CAME!!
I'm 63 so I remember how many years Sundin, when he was in his prime, had sweet eff all on his flanks to work with and I felt his frustration but the man never said a word, he sucked it up like a good Leaf captain and he carried on carrying on!! The best the team did by Mats was picking up Mogilney after his prime but then he was send down to the second line after a couple of months to spred the love because the second line was perpetually thin also!!
If Matthews had legitimate wingers he would be breaking records at an even faster rate and perhaps this team would be rolling down shit muffin hill toward sweet piss pond right now!
In short, we are effed!!
So, boot Treliving if you must, but A) He's not the problem and B) No self respecting top level GM will want the job knowing what the real situation is!!
The stupidity goes back to a team that any legitimate GM would tear out an enraged grizzly bear's colon and slap a rabid skunk's ass with it just to be on a list in a hat to get the job, and THEY DECIDED TO GO WITH DUBAS AND SHANAHAN!!
Yes, they made the team respectable with a whole bunch of playoff runs, and even got past the first round…ONCE!!
If that does it for ya, then great! The Leafs fooled us all and picked up two unpolished turds who got the job semi done!!
If you're happy with that then GREAT JOB captain Highswiner!
Jack ~'()'~
If I was the coach with this team this year I would have just went with a 95% offensive game. I would have traded Stolarz and Hildeby would be the number 1. Have at it boys!
It was PAINFULLY obvious this team were NEVER gonna be happy playing a defensive game, period.
Jack ~'()'~
Austin is on the phone with mitch …who's sitting beside his pool in Vegas..counting his money in peace…believe me..he'll agree to a trade…7 team no go list..the Canadian teams. And I don't blame him
Matthews, and Reilly for sure, ask if they want to stick around. If not start making some moves now. Nylander can go too. Not Canadian boys,,, Stanley Cup is not their top priority. Get some tough as shit young guys . Good old Canadian boys. I think for sure they have to get rid of one goalie, cause they will lose one next fall through waivers. Keep Laughton and McMann. They are tough in your nose hard players that give 100% effort.
How about Doug Gilmore for President of hockey operations.
Leafs need new scouts. Who saw Carlo play and said "yeah we need to get him" they all should be fired
People think pics are next years solution … Pics are 3 years from now solution..
Cowan is a 2023 1st round pic… now a rookie, sitting in the pressbox ..
Do the math, low IQ fans..
LOL.
Only rookies prospects. turn next year around.. if they catch upto speed..
#1 problem is Berube and his injury-prone Tardation called North-South ..
Berube is the lowest IQ NHL coach , I ever seen..
Anybody supporting injury-prone N-S,, is an idiot… or just hates his entire roster and wants to destroy everyone around them..
Which is it ?
The Elephant in the room is … Berube is the ENTIRE problem. He is a complete braindead concussed moron.
Is McMann 'ASKING" for 5×5 ?
Or is it just BS media stating he is worth that over-bloated amount..
99% is always just BS media speculation with zero sources.
I’m with you boys. I’m in my 50s. I’ve seen a lot of bad hockey. The 80s come to mind but I’ll tell you something rebuild 100% everybody’s bag should be packed including the coach and the GM love the podcast boys listening to you from Bracebridge 👍
They've been here before. This team, as a group, can't play together or in this system. Cupboard is bare, no prospects, no picks….time to go get some. More of a rebuild than a retool is needed. Trelliving, Berube et al need to be let go.
Maybe they underestimated Marner's defensive contributions to the team…
Like pronger said leafs will not win anything with mathews as captain on this team
Don't go to watch them live,empty seats might wake up,stupid management
Rip it apart now. Trade 34 to LA for byfeild and a boat load of picks. Trade OEL and Roy for more picks. Take the picks and get Thomas. Start there
Fuck 88 and 34
88 and 34,are not tough in the fucking,playoffs
Keep talkin, keep whining leaf fans,,,,,your so funny
Trade Matthews is the only option, trust me. No move clause, no problem. Tell him we are not re-signing him, tell him you are rebuilding full stop and demand a 5 team option. Make that Yankee miserable.
Dale – you were good on Zack's podcast. Keep it up!
This team needs a priest.🌟
#Tanknation
#thisteamiscursed
They could win with Matthews and Nylander on the team sure, if that team is as stacked as Matthews' US olympic team. Otherwise, who's gonna do the heavy lifting? Those two pu55ies?
You're not going to win anything with Matthews. He is a passenger. He is not a leader. I would trade him for picks
Trade the fucking whole team