Si Tre ne le faisait pas, nous serions tout aussi en colère. Le départ de Marner était imminent. Les gardiens étaient chauds. C’était notre meilleur coup. Maintenant, fais-le exploser.
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ekemywaythrulife
@Maple Leafs de Toronto
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Our 1st round pick being only top 5 is rlly bad from the start tho
I truly liked the trade at the time. Good thing I’m not the GM
From what I remember of his play before, it changed a lot when he moved to Toronto. It could just be how he’s being told to play now vs. Boston. I just remember him being much rougher to play against.
Agree. Everyone was clamouring for a defenseman that could withstand Florida’s physicality when they met in the playoffs. Unfortunately he underperformed and Toronto overpaid.
At the time, I was kinda bummed we got rid of Minton but Carlo was absolutely a great pick up. He wasn’t even a rental either which made it even better. He was exactly what we needed and it’s likely Minton tops out as a third line player in a few years and by then, we likely enter a full rebuild with the aging of our stars.
None of us here imagined we would be this bad this year and the 1st round pick might be as high as number 6 for the Bruins. Hindsight is always 20/20. Sucks it has worked out the way it has but here we are. I never in a million years thought, even at the beginning of this season, we would be full on tanking but we sure are.
We could have just traded for someone else lol it was an overpay from day 1 no need for hindsight.
In all fairness to Treliving, the 2025 Leafs were the best Leafs we’d seen in multiple decades. We knew Marner was a UFA. Ultimately, we went all-in, and it didn’t work out.
Of course Carlo should never have cost that much, but the market altogether seemed inflated last szn.
Idk. I’d still argue, for a first, and a player who was picked as an early 2nd round pick, we should’ve been able to get someone more effective.
I agree that it looks a lot worse on hindsight than it did at the time, and even the most pessimistic among us probably didn’t foresee a top 5 vs top 10 protection mattering, but here we are.
That being said it’s the GM’s job to be smarter than us, and there were underlying signs that we would take a step back this year. Marner leaving was one, another was our team regularly being outplayed last year. Another was our record in 1 goal games last year being unsustainable. Another was our dependence on a number of older defensemen to stay healthy and not regress.
There were enough signs that a bottom 10 finish shouldn’t have been out of the question. Increasingly so when you consider the leafs seemingly refusing to fire a coach that clearly lost the room early in the season.
You’re making an argument in favour of buying at the deadline, which is reasonable. That’s not the same thing as an argument in favour of buying those specific players at those specific prices.
I agree that it made sense to buy last year. It did not make sense to overpay for bad players.
We were happy with the return but pretty bummed about how much we had to give up, even at the time. I remember people being surprised we needed to give more than Minten
Treliving added a slow plodding D-man to his already slow plodding defense. Carlo is not physical, just large. Carlo for a 2nd, maybe although he is still not what they needed.
The 1st round pick is a Leaf fan nightmare in the making.
My biggest issue with the trade was Minten. It didn’t make a lot of sense to move Minten and then pick up Laughton. I’d have rather kept him over Cowan and not went for Laughton and let Minten have some rope on 3rd/4th C. Even if Cowan is more skilled than Minten you can’t teach size and I kinda feel he might turn into a low end 2nd C.
No, the Carlo trade did not have to be done.
Did they need a RHD and a depth C to shore things up? Absolutely!
But when the player’s you’re picking up at the TDL aren’t on expiring contracts, THAT’S when you get into 1st round pick territory; and we saw just that with the return for Nicolas Roy.
Going into a season where you are certain your top point scorer has departed, and without a 1st round pick, is such a wreckless assessment of your own roster’s potential. It shows how entitled management felt to a playoff birth. They also did all this under the assumption that Matthews was just having an off year due to injuries, when we now know it’s becoming a medium/long term concern.
As far as shoring up the D is concerned, if these idiots had just signed Lybushkin on his second tour here they could have avoided needing to fill that hole in the lineup, but now here we are.
I have no idea how anyone thought Carlo was worth that much, it was a dumb trade at the time and still is now.
Yup. We were a wagon.
Carlo was shit for Boston that year and Bruins fans were criticizing him all year.
Gotta be honest – didn’t mind the Carlo trade (yay more assets spent for a Morgan Reilly babysitter). It was the Laughton one that felt like the price was too steep.
But both players having retention, and term, felt like tidy work by Treliving.
I really wonder just how differently both players would have looked here if their coach wasn’t an absolute fucking dinosaur though.
This teams problem on defense is lacking puck moving defeseman and he got a slow prodding D that was already declining for a premium price.
100%
Carlo for Minten AND a first is the egregious part. Couldve just been either or and it would have been seen as that bad of a trade imo
Brandon Carlo sucks. He sucked then, he sucks now, the price we paid was a joke then and a tragedy now.
Dont defend it. People here loved the trade. Those people never watched Carlo. We most certainly *did not* need to make that trade and this thread is all kinds of cope.
You’re assuming the Carlo trade was the only option. Yes, if the Leafs did nothing then people would’ve been pissed, but not doing something is not the same as not getting Carlo. And also, so what if people would be mad? If GMs are listening to the noise then they need to step down. They’ve lost the plot. Fans are going to be irrational about shit. If a GM feels that the costs are too high, even in a situation like last year, then he can’t listen to the fans or anticipate how they may feel. It was an overpay at the time with a lot of risk, and that’s turned out to be the case. A cost benefit decision was made. But it certainly didn’t need to be made the way it was. That’s silly talk.
The Carlo trade at the time seemed like everything the leafs needed. It hasn’t worked out, but it’s defensible. Minten wasn’t getting played under this management group and coach, and they thought the had a shot at winning, so you do what you have to do.
It sucks that with hindsight we can see it was a mistake, but that is what it is. Maybe they should have protected the pick better or something, but no one saw this season coming, so even that is hard to have been hoping for.
Now the Laughton deal on the other hand was awful from the get go, even if the player was a better fit and likeable. He was never worth the draft capital they gave up, and they hardly even tried to use him in ways to make him more productive. Failures all around.
Would love to know the upvote ratio on this post lol
Yup agreed, although Tre is a shit negotiator and could easily have gotten top 10 protection on it. People don’t realize the position he was in as a gm, hot tandem, team looks, wide open Eastern Conference. Results wise it was actually our best playoff performance of the whole era lol, which is sad but objectively true. If we win that game 3 or stolarz doesnt get eliminated who knows what happens
Controversial take this was the right move the Laughton trade was the bad one
Agreed. The amount of ppl who praised the deal then, and now flipped to it was s terrible idea because it didn’t work out, is too damn high. Tre tried something. Let me know of 1 GM who’s hitting 100%
Wouldn’t say the Carlo trade had to be done, but agree something defensively had to be done. Now my biggest dilemma is which was worse, including a 1st in that deal or including Minton. I realize that there are over payments at trading deadline, which is why I am not a fan of deadline trading. Not only is it overpriced, but so often the players don’t have enough time to fit in, or can upset the existing team chemistry. Regardless it is what it is and time to move on, but it does show that we DO need some younger defensemen, now we just have to work on getting better quality ones to boot. It’s not like this is not a recent problem for the Leafs.
Minten and a not top ten protected 1st was always an overpay. They fleeced us. And Boston of all teams. There’s no positive way to spin this.
He’s a big guy who doesn’t hit was all Boston fans were talking about that should’ve been our red flag not to trade for him
I will be the first to admit, at the time, the Carlo and Laughton trade sat fine with me.
I will also admit, I didn’t know too much about both players, but it sounded like they were the right pieces the leafs needed.
I bet if you pull up peoples response to the trades, many were fine with them as well.
People were saying Minten is going to be just a role player and people were also high on the team and thought the trades gave them a nice upgrade.
Revisionist history and also our GM clearly didn’t make the right call as the leafs couldn’t get over the hump. He gets paid and has the pressure, comes with the role
Disagree, tre knew that marner was already gone to Vegas by the deadline last year, we only suspected it. If they full committed to going for it last year I would agree with you. They didn’t, Matthew’s came back from 4 nations hurt, they played him for the rest of the season to win a division, to your point they should have ltir’d him and taken that money over the cap in the playoffs like the panthers did. If you’re gonna make desperate moves in a last dance scenario you don’t do it to win an Atlantic division banner. The organization is embarrassing.
He didn’t have to do it because Carlo was not even his first choice.
I thought it was a great addition at the time. When he used to be good, he was exactly what we needed. Only the Leafs get fucked over like that so often, where we acquire players who have been good and they are immediately dogshit
This year is obviously a failure… that being said the concept was not wrong. Start building a tougher more playoff grinding team to complement the high end talent on the team. IMO the biggest failure on this team is not recognizing that Morgan Reilly is not and has never been a number 1 defense man. He would make a solid second pairing but he cannot carry the load.
Why is this sub turning into the ’23 Sharks?
Agreed. Hindsight is 20/20. All you have to do is go back to the thread from last year where the trade was announced and everyone was over the moon.
We also ended up going further than any leafs team since 2002, if we win game 7, even if we lose in the ECF this whole situation would be looked at completely differently. The real issue was not getting the pick top 10 protected. Tree got bent over a barrel and he caved because we had a chance at a cup and we did. Even with Marner leaving NOBODY thought we’d finish bottom 5, some insiders even had us winning the division again.
Blow it up and start again.
You are presenting a false dichotomy.
It was never the Carlo trade or do nothing.
Treliving could have found another defenseman that moved the puck or used their size in effective manner.
Treliving could have given up less than Minten, a 4th round pick and a top 5 protected 1st round pick, or been like every other GM in the league and put top 10 protection on the pick
Of course Treliving should have been improving the team but Carlo was not the answer to our problems and the price Treliving paid was far too high.
I’d be mad at not doing enough, but not as mad as the trade that ended up happening. The Carlo trade was bad the second it was made, the only outcome that would have made it ok was winning a cup because no one cares about the cost of that.
Carlo for a 1st+ is not terrible in itself, but without top 10 protection and the + being Minten (who was worth a 1st himself), was terrible.
Awful take
You think a top prospect and high draft pick “had to be done”?
This feel like the Matthew Tkachuk trade. It wasn’t a bad trade for Calgary at that time. No one ever imagine Jonathan Huberdeau playing out like this.
Just like no one would ever imagine us finishing near the bottom of the league. It sucks losing Minten but it’s the cost of doing business.
The most outrageous thing of this trade, is not having the pick being top 10 protected. This seems like an amateur move from an experience GM.