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Vue mise à jour de l’échange Kiiskinen/Gibson de Hockey Prospecting


Quelqu’un sur X a demandé cela à Byron Bader et j’apprécie celui qui l’a fait, ainsi que lui d’être venu, mais j’ai pensé que je partagerais ici.

Personnellement, j’ai adoré l’accord à l’époque et je ne peux pas dire que beaucoup de choses ont changé, même si son attaque a pris du recul. Il semble que cela puisse être en partie un produit de l’équipe ?

Quelqu’un a-t-il pu le suivre de plus près cette année pour donner un peu plus de contexte ? J’avais lu l’année dernière que les entraîneurs l’adoraient, mais s’il a une chance réaliste, j’imagine qu’il est temps de passer à la ligue suivante l’année prochaine.


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14 Comments

  1. magikarp-sushi

    At the time and even now we’re still kinda uncertain about bottom D ? So this is fine I think

  2. detroitttiorted

    Haven’t had a chance to follow Kiiskinen much this year but in the past I have always felt like his skating will be his limiting factor in producing a ton at the NHL level. Kinda like Pulkinnen, hell of a shot, saw the game decently, but just couldn’t create separation in the NHL.

    I do think though that unlike Pulkinnen, his physicality could be nice in the bottom 6. If he could become a grinding 15g + 15a type guy that would be really sweet, needs to up his motor a little bit though

  3. 2IWontBeHereLong

    I can look at this with confidence and say I have no idea what any of this means.

  4. ThickBootyEnjoyer

    Without context much of this is meaningless.

  5. AppleGeniusBar

    Seeing a few comments here looking for more info, I’m copying this directly from their site. Several NHL teams have (or still do) use them for prospect analyses. From them:

    The Player Comparison Tool includes every skater, drafted from 1990 to Present as well as select undrafted stars and 1980s drafted Hall of Famers.

    In total, the tool includes over 7,000 players

    NHLes: How the player’s point production in their given
    league would translate to the NHL (over an 82 game pace). For example, an NHLe of 40 would on average result in 40 points over 82 games in the NHL the first season after the player transitions over.

    Also, NHLes are used as a way to standardize player’s offensive score over time. We’re looking for higher numbers at younger ages. Those are the biggest indicators of future star-potential and becoming an NHLer, in general.

    The tool provides the player’s NHLe for five years of development, from their D-1 season (i.e., pre-draft year) through their first eligible draft year (i.e., true draft year) through to their D3 season (i.e., third season after their first eligible draft year)

    The tool also provides the players’ probability of turning into an NHLer (200+ games) and probability of turning into an offensive star in the NHL (0.7+ career ppg for a forward and 0.45+ career ppg for a defenseman).

    The five closest comparables provide the five closest players based on star and NHLer probabilities. They are assessed at two stages: D0 – First eligible draft year (the year most players are drafted) and after the five year development track. Note, if the player was drafted in the past few years and hasn’t reached five years of development, the comparables are players that looked like that player at that point in their development. For instance, if the player is four years into their development path, the comparables would be of players that looked similar after four years of development.

    On rare occasion, the comparable may not match the player exactly. Often when this occurs, the player has a very unique development pattern and doesn’t match a lot players exactly.

    [website link](https://hockeyprospecting.com/about-the-tools/)

    EDIT: tried to help formatting

  6. picohenries

    Kiiskinen has had a pretty rough year, especially since he got injured. I also saw a rumor on HFBoards that Kiiskinen is a bit of a party boy lmao

  7. AFreePeacock

    Patrick Nemeth is a name i haven’t considered in a long time

  8. ColdSplit

    So he sucks and we lost the trade hard? I don’t think there is anything on this sheet positive about Gibson.

  9. greythedork12

    Something I don’t see people mentioning here is that we also got a second round pick with Kiiskinen. In fact, it’s the same second we sent with Walman.

    So, while sending a second with Walman is truly baffling asset management, it’s one we absolutely fleeced the living daylights outta Nashville for in the first place, so I’d call that just about net neutral

  10. Suspicious_Walrus682

    We’ve drafted 6 D-men in the 2nd round under Draper. So far, only Johansson is an NHLer.

    Tuomisto – bust

    Wallinder, Buium – trending towards bust

    Gibson – traded for a former 3rd round pick

    Cleveland – what a wild pick that was!!!

    Glad we might be able to salvage that Gibson pick and turn it into someone with a higher chance of making the NHL.

    But if anything, this continues to reinforce my belief that we need to improve our amateur scouting.

  11. Erlkoenigleidsgetan

    Hot dog. Looks like we might have another Cole Huckins on our hands.

  12. CMCdaGoat

    Kiiskinen was 3rd in the entire league in shots. He played for an awful team and was top 10 in xG as a 20 year old with absolutely no support. Let’s see how he does in GR first

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