What on earth has done to deserve 9m. 7.5m max and that’s generous.
AMdome
I had high hopes for the kid, but that’s a pretty big commitment based on what we have seen so far.
obijuan_can_obe
To imagine we had Hughes for so many years at 5 mil
Sarcastic__
It’s an uncomfortable number to think about, but if you want to create value down the line this is something they gotta do.
To elaborate a bit more, no he’s not a $9M player right now. You’re paying him $9M now so in theory when he hits his potential you’re still paying him $9M for playing like a $13M player in a rising Cap world. If he slightly misses the mark, you’re still paying $9M for a guy that should be making $9M, instead of being forced to pay $11M because of market related conditions or impending UFA status.
The flipside then is if you bridge him now, you need to negotiate a contract based on the market in the future. If he hits his potential and needs a new deal in 3 years, he’s either asking for top of the market numbers or even seeking to reset the defenseman market. If $9M makes you uncomfortable now, how do you feel about $14M in theory in 3 years?
You’re paying upfront to gamble he’s worth more later on. Great teams have done this all the time.
JohnGarrettsMustache
Crazy numbers for 22 career points. I feel like these teams handing out huge contracts on unproven players is taking a huge risk.
ja211
He doesn’t have Luke or Lacombe’s track record yet. Don’t see us needing to go over 9.
Luke had back to back 40+ pt seasons under his belt when he signed.
Lacombe had a 14 goal, 40+ pt season under his belt.
Zeev has their talent (probably more than Hughes) but production doesn’t back up same dollars.
BlastMyLoad
$9m?! That’s way too much
Spare_Entrance_9389
holy fuck Luke Hughes got bag on name alone
misec_undact
In no way comparable to those guys JFC.
carry-on_replacement
I think I’d rather see what he can do next year and then sign him if it’s projected at 9M. If he pops off, it’ll be worth the extra 1.5M and one less year of UFA because we can guarantee he can improve from here. Luke Hughes and Jackson Lacombe both have multiple years of good production before signing their extensions so it’s hardly comparable.
_Michael___Scarn
He has so much upside
AccomplishedAd4995
man if zeev signs for 8-9M, I can already see all the people fuming whenever he has a quiet / bad shift or game
Additional_Slice768
Not a chance they roll the dice like this. Make him prove his worth first. I’m not a fan of speculative signings. We have no idea how he’ll be in the postseason.
jamesSa81
I guess if that’s what the market dictates but what happened to doing a 3x5m first before jumping into the monster contract. I suppose it’s to avoid the 13m ask in three years, tough shoes to be in making these decisions.
NerdPunch
I totally understand locking up young talent.
I donno if Buium has that “it factor” that has me ready to go like 8 years @ ~64-72ish million.
Like how certain are we that he’s a legit cornerstone building block for this franchise versus just being a secondary supporting piece?
ggpurplecobras
Comparable except that Hughes and Lacombe both had over double Buium’s points in a season when they signed their contracts lol. Im all for getting ahead of things and signing a long term deal but 9 mil AAV is mental.
Cdr_Bond007
Don’t know what the AAV ends up being, but lock him up for a long time! Get that business out of the way!
Candid_Equipment9288
Not only would this be a risk – it would put far too much pressure on the kid if he doesn’t perform to the contract.
smcfarlane
7 range is where I’d want to be long term.
DarkestThought
63 games… 22 points. -21….. he was -9 on the Wild. He is only 20 years old though so….. he is not worth more than 6m. We need to wait to sign him I think, better to lose a year on the contract than over pay. Next year we will end up not much better or the same so I don’t think he will be putting up 60 points in the next few seasons. If he can’t be defensively sound then over paying is a bad idea.
PsychologicalPea1244
Too Risky . I would bridge it . 64 million reasons to not reach your potential at 20 years old. Pretty sure Lacombe and Hughes showed more before their contracts.
CJK_420
Zero chance the aav is that high.
Sure--Foundation
9mil is too much. He’ll be good but we haven’t seen enough yet for that. Lacombe had a much better season prior to his big deal. Hughes did as well.
Jealous_Difference44
Id rather lose a 60 point d man then sign a 30 point d man to that contract
The_Cozy_Burrito
Sign him for 11.6 a year /s
edgylord5000
bruh
edgylord5000
I sometimes think the canucks forget that their a professional sports organization and not a charity
Slafbery
What the fuck….. 8×8 for Buium!?
ScarvesOnGiraffes
Remember Dhali always inflates these prices because he’s a mouthpiece for agents
Mistercorey1976
10 x 10
PaperMoonShine
9m is the new 6m. Which was the kind of bet you made on young guns to keep them cost controlled.
kman221961
Canucks need to fire management…
Count3D
Canucks fan base and long-term deals with unproven players what could possibly go wrong
coltonjeffs
Would be quite the bet offering him 8×8…but you would think they are paying him for 3 or 4 years when the cap doesnt affect us much, and 4 years down the road 8 won’t be so bad with the cap going up. Still a big gamble though
matterd1984
Jesus… 9 million he hasn’t done 💩yet! I’d be looking at a bridge deal… f that. This is how we get into trouble and why we have a 11 million dollar anchor.
Any-Opportunity-4287
8 years x 5 mill. What has he done ? How are his stats with Canucks? He’s a 2nd line d man. Is he better than Brock? Or Debrusk
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What on earth has done to deserve 9m. 7.5m max and that’s generous.
I had high hopes for the kid, but that’s a pretty big commitment based on what we have seen so far.
To imagine we had Hughes for so many years at 5 mil
It’s an uncomfortable number to think about, but if you want to create value down the line this is something they gotta do.
To elaborate a bit more, no he’s not a $9M player right now. You’re paying him $9M now so in theory when he hits his potential you’re still paying him $9M for playing like a $13M player in a rising Cap world. If he slightly misses the mark, you’re still paying $9M for a guy that should be making $9M, instead of being forced to pay $11M because of market related conditions or impending UFA status.
The flipside then is if you bridge him now, you need to negotiate a contract based on the market in the future. If he hits his potential and needs a new deal in 3 years, he’s either asking for top of the market numbers or even seeking to reset the defenseman market. If $9M makes you uncomfortable now, how do you feel about $14M in theory in 3 years?
You’re paying upfront to gamble he’s worth more later on. Great teams have done this all the time.
Crazy numbers for 22 career points. I feel like these teams handing out huge contracts on unproven players is taking a huge risk.
He doesn’t have Luke or Lacombe’s track record yet. Don’t see us needing to go over 9.
Luke had back to back 40+ pt seasons under his belt when he signed.
Lacombe had a 14 goal, 40+ pt season under his belt.
Zeev has their talent (probably more than Hughes) but production doesn’t back up same dollars.
$9m?! That’s way too much
holy fuck Luke Hughes got bag on name alone
In no way comparable to those guys JFC.
I think I’d rather see what he can do next year and then sign him if it’s projected at 9M. If he pops off, it’ll be worth the extra 1.5M and one less year of UFA because we can guarantee he can improve from here. Luke Hughes and Jackson Lacombe both have multiple years of good production before signing their extensions so it’s hardly comparable.
He has so much upside
man if zeev signs for 8-9M, I can already see all the people fuming whenever he has a quiet / bad shift or game
Not a chance they roll the dice like this. Make him prove his worth first. I’m not a fan of speculative signings. We have no idea how he’ll be in the postseason.
I guess if that’s what the market dictates but what happened to doing a 3x5m first before jumping into the monster contract. I suppose it’s to avoid the 13m ask in three years, tough shoes to be in making these decisions.
I totally understand locking up young talent.
I donno if Buium has that “it factor” that has me ready to go like 8 years @ ~64-72ish million.
Like how certain are we that he’s a legit cornerstone building block for this franchise versus just being a secondary supporting piece?
Comparable except that Hughes and Lacombe both had over double Buium’s points in a season when they signed their contracts lol. Im all for getting ahead of things and signing a long term deal but 9 mil AAV is mental.
Don’t know what the AAV ends up being, but lock him up for a long time! Get that business out of the way!
Not only would this be a risk – it would put far too much pressure on the kid if he doesn’t perform to the contract.
7 range is where I’d want to be long term.
63 games… 22 points. -21….. he was -9 on the Wild. He is only 20 years old though so….. he is not worth more than 6m. We need to wait to sign him I think, better to lose a year on the contract than over pay. Next year we will end up not much better or the same so I don’t think he will be putting up 60 points in the next few seasons. If he can’t be defensively sound then over paying is a bad idea.
Too Risky . I would bridge it . 64 million reasons to not reach your potential at 20 years old. Pretty sure Lacombe and Hughes showed more before their contracts.
Zero chance the aav is that high.
9mil is too much. He’ll be good but we haven’t seen enough yet for that. Lacombe had a much better season prior to his big deal. Hughes did as well.
Id rather lose a 60 point d man then sign a 30 point d man to that contract
Sign him for 11.6 a year /s
bruh
I sometimes think the canucks forget that their a professional sports organization and not a charity
What the fuck….. 8×8 for Buium!?
Remember Dhali always inflates these prices because he’s a mouthpiece for agents
10 x 10
9m is the new 6m. Which was the kind of bet you made on young guns to keep them cost controlled.
Canucks need to fire management…
Canucks fan base and long-term deals with unproven players what could possibly go wrong
Would be quite the bet offering him 8×8…but you would think they are paying him for 3 or 4 years when the cap doesnt affect us much, and 4 years down the road 8 won’t be so bad with the cap going up. Still a big gamble though
Jesus… 9 million he hasn’t done 💩yet! I’d be looking at a bridge deal… f that. This is how we get into trouble and why we have a 11 million dollar anchor.
8 years x 5 mill. What has he done ? How are his stats with Canucks? He’s a 2nd line d man. Is he better than Brock? Or Debrusk