[Kypreos] À Vancouver, il y a de fortes suggestions selon lesquelles un changement est à venir, mais dans quelle mesure cela reste incertain… Quoi qu’il en soit, j’ai entendu dire que le directeur général Patrik Allvin ne s’attend pas à survivre au-delà de cette saison.
If Allvin is replaced, I wouldn’t be surprised if a new coach comes in with him. You don’t want another lame duck GM bringing in a coach like we saw with the Boudreau debacle
SomethingGreasy
This would be huge if true. Really depends on whether Rutherford leaves too, but getting someone new in could be a nice change of pace after some very questionable decisions (handling of player injuries too). Or it could mean a new yes-man for Aqualini.
NerdPunch
Im probably more glass half full on Allvin than most, and I think his robust amateur scouting background would be valuable through a rebuild. That said, theres got to be changes if you wanna sell hope to fans.
My guess is, Ryan Johnson is the next GM and he brings Manny Malhotra in as his Head Coach. Gives you an AHL GM/NHL AGM specializing in Player Development.
I also think that’s a pretty easy sell to fans, because you can point to Abbotsford’s Championship and position RJ/Manny as the guys who will develop that next core of Canucks Players through this rebuild.
Rutherford stays on for a year, but they start the search for a new POHO. I’d love to see Laurence Gilman back.
SevenIn7
Wouldn’t be surprised but it’s Kypreos saying it and I trust him almost as little as Seravalli
H34thcliff
Seems reasonable. What’s he done to make the argument that he should be able to take the franchise through this transition?
He didn’t even handle the Hughes trade, ffs.
spaceblastertaster
Clean house. No if ands or but. Ground up this management needs to change to start forming an identity for the team to hold onto. This is hockey city, give the fans something to cheer about.
fine_cuisine
Not convinced that Allvin getting the axe would mean much if Rutherford is still here. Jimmy’s been calling the shots since the beginning right? So he’s just the fall guy
maketherightmove
You won’t be missed, Patrik.
LIL_DROP13
I thought people knew Rutherford’s commitment to the rebuild he said he would stay short term 1-2 years no?
rajde1
Is Kypreos even a reliable source?
Overreactinguncles
Good. He sucks.
pluralsight24
The only change that would have any impact is an ownership change but we all know that’s not happening anytime soon
NotaRussianChabot
I vote we keep JR+PA.
I think JR stands up to Aqua better than most and the last thing I want is for Aqua to be able to choose direction of this team himself.
airjunkie
Based on Allvin’s track record how could he survive this season if the organization is to remain credible.
We’re 32nd in the league (by a long shot) during a year we were planning to win and our division is ludicrously soft. No matter what you think of the guy, it’s a completely unacceptable result at the NHL level.
Just look at last offseason, pretty much every move was a disastour. This is the NHL, not an executive training program.
L3aNo
Deservingly so. There needs to be a head that rolls for the mismanagement of the team over the past few years. I hope it goes deeper into a full on house cleaning. I don’t think there is a valid arugment for anyone in this front office to survive this. This is by far the worst Canucks team under this ownership group and in all honesty probably ever. It will be a lot easier to try and sell season tickets with a shiny new front office along with a top 3 draft pick.
Nearby-Swimming-5103
Need to start at the top with entirely new ownership, otherwise nothing will really change.
grooverocker
If it was up to me this is who would be going:
Owner
President
General manager
All high level management staff
All medical staff
Head coach
Assistant coaches
All coaching and athletic staff
EP40glazer
Alvin leaving wouldn’t mean anything, Rutherford is clearly the one in charge (he literally dealt with the Quinn Hughes trade)
eexxiitt
No point getting rid of PA when JR still has the reigns.
Unless the reason why JR is constantly involved in the operations is because PA is completely incompetent.
accountnumber02
Kypreos is pretty unreliable but it also just doesn’t make a lot of sense to me really. To me why would you let a management group trade Quinn Hughes if you weren’t going to let them continue with the process. If you were going to fire them, I feel like the new management group should’ve been the ones to make the Quinn trade.
Hell it’s just weird from a team direction pov. Current management very obviously failed their original goal of building a contender, but were given the greenlight to start making rebuild moves, many of which seem to be very promising (at least by the low bar we’re used to as Canucks fans). So you don’t fire them after failing to build a contender, but you fire them after approving their rebuild plan before they even have a full offseason to implement the new direction? Why did you let the management group that you were planning to fire make the biggest trade in franchise history?
Another thing I don’t get, would this be Rutherford firing Allvin or ownership deciding he’s gone? Isn’t the point of Rutherford that he’s supposed to be the head of hockey operations and to « shield » the management team from ownership. Just a weird situation, firing the GM but keeping the 77 year old POHO at the start of a rebuild?
LupoWolf2
Start with ownership.
marsisblack
If rutherford doesnt stay itll be bad news. Aqua will just go hire some yes man and we will have Benning 2.0. Ugh, no thank you
centralislandcritic
I think most people around the league, and fans, looked at Allvin handing the Hughes trade off to Rutherford as a failing grade for him. Either he is the GM or he isn’t, and that showed that he isn’t. But Rutherford shouldn’t take over. I don’t know that Ryan Johnson is the guy.
I also don’t think they should let Foote go….. yet. I see them promoting Malhotra to assistant coach in the offseason and he’ll work with the teams young core next season more than Foote will. We still don’t want them trying to make the playoffs, they need to lose but do so in a manner that develops the young folks. I saw San Jose play games years ago, they were awful but the youngsters looked like they were having a blast, playing hard and learning from their mistakes.
hird
He drove this team into the ground, so that would make sense.
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Not directly related to this article, but in a interview a couple days ago [Rutherford had some pretty harsh comments on the teams coaching](https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/four-possible-reasons-why-the-canucks-have-been-so-bad-at-home). Calling out the lack of sticking with systems, the attention to detail, and having shifts too long.
If Allvin is replaced, I wouldn’t be surprised if a new coach comes in with him. You don’t want another lame duck GM bringing in a coach like we saw with the Boudreau debacle
This would be huge if true. Really depends on whether Rutherford leaves too, but getting someone new in could be a nice change of pace after some very questionable decisions (handling of player injuries too). Or it could mean a new yes-man for Aqualini.
Im probably more glass half full on Allvin than most, and I think his robust amateur scouting background would be valuable through a rebuild. That said, theres got to be changes if you wanna sell hope to fans.
My guess is, Ryan Johnson is the next GM and he brings Manny Malhotra in as his Head Coach. Gives you an AHL GM/NHL AGM specializing in Player Development.
I also think that’s a pretty easy sell to fans, because you can point to Abbotsford’s Championship and position RJ/Manny as the guys who will develop that next core of Canucks Players through this rebuild.
Rutherford stays on for a year, but they start the search for a new POHO. I’d love to see Laurence Gilman back.
Wouldn’t be surprised but it’s Kypreos saying it and I trust him almost as little as Seravalli
Seems reasonable. What’s he done to make the argument that he should be able to take the franchise through this transition?
He didn’t even handle the Hughes trade, ffs.
Clean house. No if ands or but. Ground up this management needs to change to start forming an identity for the team to hold onto. This is hockey city, give the fans something to cheer about.
Not convinced that Allvin getting the axe would mean much if Rutherford is still here. Jimmy’s been calling the shots since the beginning right? So he’s just the fall guy
You won’t be missed, Patrik.
I thought people knew Rutherford’s commitment to the rebuild he said he would stay short term 1-2 years no?
Is Kypreos even a reliable source?
Good. He sucks.
The only change that would have any impact is an ownership change but we all know that’s not happening anytime soon
I vote we keep JR+PA.
I think JR stands up to Aqua better than most and the last thing I want is for Aqua to be able to choose direction of this team himself.
Based on Allvin’s track record how could he survive this season if the organization is to remain credible.
We’re 32nd in the league (by a long shot) during a year we were planning to win and our division is ludicrously soft. No matter what you think of the guy, it’s a completely unacceptable result at the NHL level.
Just look at last offseason, pretty much every move was a disastour. This is the NHL, not an executive training program.
Deservingly so. There needs to be a head that rolls for the mismanagement of the team over the past few years. I hope it goes deeper into a full on house cleaning. I don’t think there is a valid arugment for anyone in this front office to survive this. This is by far the worst Canucks team under this ownership group and in all honesty probably ever. It will be a lot easier to try and sell season tickets with a shiny new front office along with a top 3 draft pick.
Need to start at the top with entirely new ownership, otherwise nothing will really change.
If it was up to me this is who would be going:
Owner
President
General manager
All high level management staff
All medical staff
Head coach
Assistant coaches
All coaching and athletic staff
Alvin leaving wouldn’t mean anything, Rutherford is clearly the one in charge (he literally dealt with the Quinn Hughes trade)
No point getting rid of PA when JR still has the reigns.
Unless the reason why JR is constantly involved in the operations is because PA is completely incompetent.
Kypreos is pretty unreliable but it also just doesn’t make a lot of sense to me really. To me why would you let a management group trade Quinn Hughes if you weren’t going to let them continue with the process. If you were going to fire them, I feel like the new management group should’ve been the ones to make the Quinn trade.
Hell it’s just weird from a team direction pov. Current management very obviously failed their original goal of building a contender, but were given the greenlight to start making rebuild moves, many of which seem to be very promising (at least by the low bar we’re used to as Canucks fans). So you don’t fire them after failing to build a contender, but you fire them after approving their rebuild plan before they even have a full offseason to implement the new direction? Why did you let the management group that you were planning to fire make the biggest trade in franchise history?
Another thing I don’t get, would this be Rutherford firing Allvin or ownership deciding he’s gone? Isn’t the point of Rutherford that he’s supposed to be the head of hockey operations and to « shield » the management team from ownership. Just a weird situation, firing the GM but keeping the 77 year old POHO at the start of a rebuild?
Start with ownership.
If rutherford doesnt stay itll be bad news. Aqua will just go hire some yes man and we will have Benning 2.0. Ugh, no thank you
I think most people around the league, and fans, looked at Allvin handing the Hughes trade off to Rutherford as a failing grade for him. Either he is the GM or he isn’t, and that showed that he isn’t. But Rutherford shouldn’t take over. I don’t know that Ryan Johnson is the guy.
I also don’t think they should let Foote go….. yet. I see them promoting Malhotra to assistant coach in the offseason and he’ll work with the teams young core next season more than Foote will. We still don’t want them trying to make the playoffs, they need to lose but do so in a manner that develops the young folks. I saw San Jose play games years ago, they were awful but the youngsters looked like they were having a blast, playing hard and learning from their mistakes.
He drove this team into the ground, so that would make sense.