Dreger : Les Canucks ne prévoient pas de changement chez GM ; Allvin toujours « bien considéré »
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No-Luck-At-All
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Dreger : Les Canucks ne prévoient pas de changement chez GM ; Allvin toujours « bien considéré »
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No-Luck-At-All
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“He remains highly regarded as GM of the Canucks. He’s viewed as being an excellent evaluator of talent, an excellent manager when it comes to finding talent. … So, you could see hockey operation changes in Vancouver, but I don’t think that’s going to happen or at the position of GM.”-Dreger
I dont feel either way on this. Hes not Benning so its not biggy. Theyre gonna tank for 3 years min, not exactly rocket science to manage
Honestly I have no idea if he’s good or not. I know our ownership meddles, so it’s hard to tell what’s Allvin/Rutherford and what’s Frank. If ownership is going to continue to dictate more stupidity like trading for Kane it really doesn’t matter who the GM is anyways.
he will draft Stenberg 1st OVR
It honestly doesn’t matter who’s GM anyways. Since Jet Black Jim Rutherford is calling all the shots. Dhali’s already confirmed it this week, that most teams know JR is the real GM.
PA is nothing more than a scape goat/glorfied head scout at this point.
Still unsure if this team is really serious about a rebuild until JR is out.
We need to tank at least one more year. Makes sense.
I don’t feel too strongly either way. I guess I sorta feel it’s better to have some continuity instead of just firing everyone. I definitely feel like Foote should be fired at least given his choice of systems just seems like a self-inflicted wound off the start. I do wonder if we’ll see some sort of succession plan put in place with Rutherford setting a retirement date, Allvin moving positions, and Johnson moving up, as potential items that could be covered.
I’m okay with Allvin staying on for another year or two but with a short leash
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What about ownership change?
I would argue Allvin needs to stay on. Its his rebuild if they wanted to make a change they needed to do it before trading Hughes. Ownership has made this bed and they need to lay in it. Any change ownership makes at this point ate going to be Benningesque. The cycle begins again.
Canucks not planning change. Results still well regarded.
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One thing is for sure, I want to see improvement in amateur scouting and player development. Be it with Alvin or not.
No point changing the GM if JR only has 1 more year on his contract. In fact it would be stupid to change a GM, then look for a president the following year, and likely change GM’s again lol.
Not good if true. Terrible communicator who has contradicted himself way too many times. If Rutherford is doing the important work, you have to at least come off as competent. Him saying there wasn’t a culture problem, as the team crumbled due to culture issues was the last straw for me. What exactly do you do here? I’d say his drafting is decent and talent recognition is good, but these are the things you look for from the scouting department. I think he’s a better fit there opposed to being a GM.
well regarded by whom? he sucks, a contender to last place Aquaman is a POS
Fuck Alvin
They’re got another year left on their contracts, JR probably retires and Allvin is not retained. Hopefully we’re in a spot where we have Stenberg and Mckenna and a top 3 pick next year to take DuPont or one of the top centers and it becomes a pretty attractive destination for a new management team. Hopefully a Dubas or Tulsky type. Maybe it ends up being RJ from Abby
For all intents and purposes I feel more confident with Allvin and Rutherford running a rebuild than trying to retool our then limited assets into a cup contender.
Everything would’ve needed to go right in order to win the cup that year, and of course it didn’t. The truth is to be a cup contender, your general club just needs to have asset value across the board. I don’t remember who said it a while back, but the reason cup contenders are cup contenders is because not only do they have a well built team of talent, but they also have the resources and overflow of assets that they can swing big for a Rantanen or Hughes when they become available.
For us, our problem has been our limited quality assets. The years of losing our 1st or retools have left the cupboards dry until this management team took stock. Since then, plenty of young guys have been able to grow out of the AHL club and make NHL contributions. Pro scouting has hit on later draft picks several times (EP25, Brushzchvwitz). The farm team won a Calder!
I think this next step is for pro scouting to do well and I’m confident we can do well there in any area. I’m a hopeless optimist and I know the last decade has been rough to watch, but hey we literally can’t get any lower at this point
Yikes
I’m fine with that. He’s way better than Benning. Keep making rebuilding type moves
I don’t have a problem with Allvin and Rutherford, but the problem is that they only have one year left on their contracts and I can’t see JR extending past that given his age. If he goes, his replacement will likely want to bring in their own GM. If that happens, you’ve now got a front office coming in in the middle of a rebuild, with a high draft pick/prospect that they didn’t pick, but inherited. Not to mention what happens this offseason and next season before the trade deadline. For these reasons, I think they either need to extend JR and PA now, to ensure they are here for the duration of the rebuild, or let them both go and bring in people that can do the rebuild their own way.
Maybe I’m pessimistic, but I can envision a press conference 3-4 years from now with a new GM where whoever we drafted somehow ends up being a bust, we traded Petey and he got back to form, and the new GM is on the hook trying to explain why the team he didn’t have control over forming still sucks.
Dont have a huge gripe with the moves they’ve made for the most part. But think JR and PA are both terrible communicators and would prefer to move to a front office that doesn’t drum up drama and shitty narratives in their press conferences
Wait until he inevitably takes Bjorck with the 3rd overall pick. Fans will run him out of town.
Translation: revenue is down because the team sucks and blueberry man doesn’t want to end up paying two GMs next season
The nucks are 32nd in the league by a wide margin. The team has had a toxic locker room, generational player demand a trade, I think it’s safe to say he sucks.
He wasn’t hired yesterday. He’s been with the team four years. The historically worst season in franchise history happened under his watch but he’s “well regarded.” Sure.
They still need to dump a few contracts. But if you have ownership interference problems, then it doesn’t matter who’s the GM is. .
This management group is responsible for the locker room issues, they brought in Tochett and have mishandled the roster and assets from day one. This rebuild is going to. be a failure without a change.
Even with this sorry ass of a season this year, none of it is Allvin’s fault. I thought he did well.
Admittedly I’m a little disappointed. I don’t blame Allvin for everything but I was hoping for a clearer communicator in the GM role. JR is too chaotic and Allvin doesn’t say anything while saying a lot of words. I wondered this week if they can really make a GM change right in the middle of the scouting process for making arguably the biggest draft pick in franchise history so perhaps stability during this time period is important. Allvin’s best asset appears to be his scouting so here’s hoping this results in a good pick and they can bring in a coach who can communicate for the org better.
Send my hybrid disingenuous best regards to the well-tooled Rogers Arena front office.
I trust JR’s leadership. If he supports Allvin and feels doing his job as expected then no point in making a change.
Please shitcan Foote
Well regarded by whom? Lol
This upcoming draft will probably be what makes or breaks this management group when we look back on it
They had that one fluke year, but have overall been a flop of a front office. They also have major attitude problems and just say the most stupidest shit to the media about players or the team and the act like victims wah wah media is too aggressive wah
As always, Dreger is to be taken with a pound of salt. But the thing is, I’m kinda okay with these guys running the rebuild. For the first time since Aqua took over ownership, he’s dealing with a President of Hockey Ops (or GM running in that capacity) who is NOT a first-timer. Seriously, every single Hockey Ops person guiding the team – even when Aqua took over – was a first-time person in that level of responsibility. Nonis, Gillis, Linden, Benning, fuck even Smyl for the couple weeks he took it on. Every single one of these had never run a team before the Canucks hired them.
Having someone with the career that Rutherford has, when he comes down and says a rebuild is necessary, which I’m gonna be frank, you don’t do when you’ve got Hughes in the lineup and you’ve got him committed for long term.
And as soon as Hughes communicates to the team that he’s not re-signing (for those fudgy about the timeline of that, it was late November), the rebuild began. And every move since then has been towards that purpose. And already significantly better rebuild moves than literally anything Benning pulled off. The trick now will be to see that management doesn’t undercut the rebuild by selling off all these futures they’ve picked up in an attempt to « speed up » the rebuild. I’m sorry but the rebuild only speeds up if you make good picks and develop them properly.
Ill back Allvin any day. I hope he stays.
I still think the hockey gods are punishing us for how they treated Bruce Boudreau a few years ago.
There are better ways to let a coach you don’t like and never chose know that they won’t be coaching this team anymore.
They chose the wrong way.
He’s fully regarded
Regarded? Absolutely.