You can’t really call it a decade when the team had to be completely torn down and there were no prospects in the system when Yzerman took over.
Alpine_Exchange_36
Ok article. Found this bit intersting though,
“In terms of net goal differential per 82 games relative to 2015-16, the Red Wings are effectively no different now than they were when they started their journey a decade ago. “
justino
Those who lived through the dead wings era must be built different. Because this is a drop in the bucket compared to that.
doubeljack
The article is meh. It claims that there’s been no forward progress for a few years when that simply is not true. Goaltending and defense were way better this season than in recent years. It’s written like someone looking at the top line numbers that didn’t dive into the details.
Medievil_Walrus
>>Then came Yzerman and his eponymous rebuilding strategy, the “Yzer-Plan”, which involved methodically tearing down Detroit’s roster to the foundation, then building it back up through scouting, drafting, player development, salary-cap management and the *patience to avoid quick fixes*.
He said this. He did not do this. The author gives a summary of Yzerman’s publicly stated goals, but it’s accurate to what we all thought the vision was. Instead, he pivoted from this vision and plan for something else, which was a mistake.
I can already hear the few people typing the same tired retorts to this argument, we had to convince Larkin to stay, we had to create an environment that allowed our prospects to develop with quality teammates and protect the prospects from being over deployed. These are not relevant or good excuses. We didn’t have to do things exactly the way we did them as some often say and think.. we didn’t have to sign those specific players to those specific deals. There have been plenty of moves by other quality front offices that added cheap, young, low risk talent and realized a tremendous upside. There were other ways to manage the roster to accomplish those goals.
We have stalled. The author is correct. Max Plante and Carter Bear are years away and they are no sure thing. The mismanagement of the past has caught up with us.
Where we go from here is a fascinating puzzle to try to solve.
Suspicious_Walrus682
Yzerman’s mistake was improving too quickly by signing UFAs like Perron, Gostisbehere, Sprong, or Kane.
We went from 32 wins to 35 to 41…. only to fall to 39 wins and back to 41 this year. Each time we improved, we drafted lower.
And while Montreal is able to draft Demidov 5th overall in 2024, because we had 41 wins, we draft MBN 15th overall. I like MBN, but he’s no Demidov.
No 1st rounder this year only adds salt to the wound.
PatricimusPrime32
The younger generations of wings fans really need to brush up on their history. Look up the dead wings era. The red wings had an era of futility that spanned three decades. And even then, once Stevie Y got drafted it still took about another ten years to really start to enter Stanley cup contender discussions.
flamingdragonwizard
Price you pay for being a dynasty
FoodEnvironmental271
Every team in the league has made the playoffs except for the red wings since Stevie took over.
x_VanHessian_x
Is this how Lions fans felt?
PremierBromanov
I feel like the opening summary of events is wildly over and under stated, only to sort of throw a few graphs at us at the end.
First you want to say everyone assumed we would rebuild quickly. With what? Who assumed that? We had Dylan Larkin in 2015, and that’s it. Our « Core building » resumed in 2019.
The methodology of the yzerplan seems to me very hand-wavy and not in line with the facts. There are lots of mistakes to be sure, but it just doesnt seem like you’re describing reality. The 1st round drafting has been great to be sure, but could it be better? The pro scouting has been mid at best and disastrous at worst. No mention?
There are 3 solid years where Yzerman wasnt GM, and if you’re looking at a 10 year span without playoffs, I think its crucial to visit where we started from, rather than sort of subsuming the debt of no-playoffs right on his shoulders.
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You can’t really call it a decade when the team had to be completely torn down and there were no prospects in the system when Yzerman took over.
Ok article. Found this bit intersting though,
“In terms of net goal differential per 82 games relative to 2015-16, the Red Wings are effectively no different now than they were when they started their journey a decade ago. “
Those who lived through the dead wings era must be built different. Because this is a drop in the bucket compared to that.
The article is meh. It claims that there’s been no forward progress for a few years when that simply is not true. Goaltending and defense were way better this season than in recent years. It’s written like someone looking at the top line numbers that didn’t dive into the details.
>>Then came Yzerman and his eponymous rebuilding strategy, the “Yzer-Plan”, which involved methodically tearing down Detroit’s roster to the foundation, then building it back up through scouting, drafting, player development, salary-cap management and the *patience to avoid quick fixes*.
He said this. He did not do this. The author gives a summary of Yzerman’s publicly stated goals, but it’s accurate to what we all thought the vision was. Instead, he pivoted from this vision and plan for something else, which was a mistake.
I can already hear the few people typing the same tired retorts to this argument, we had to convince Larkin to stay, we had to create an environment that allowed our prospects to develop with quality teammates and protect the prospects from being over deployed. These are not relevant or good excuses. We didn’t have to do things exactly the way we did them as some often say and think.. we didn’t have to sign those specific players to those specific deals. There have been plenty of moves by other quality front offices that added cheap, young, low risk talent and realized a tremendous upside. There were other ways to manage the roster to accomplish those goals.
We have stalled. The author is correct. Max Plante and Carter Bear are years away and they are no sure thing. The mismanagement of the past has caught up with us.
Where we go from here is a fascinating puzzle to try to solve.
Yzerman’s mistake was improving too quickly by signing UFAs like Perron, Gostisbehere, Sprong, or Kane.
We went from 32 wins to 35 to 41…. only to fall to 39 wins and back to 41 this year. Each time we improved, we drafted lower.
And while Montreal is able to draft Demidov 5th overall in 2024, because we had 41 wins, we draft MBN 15th overall. I like MBN, but he’s no Demidov.
No 1st rounder this year only adds salt to the wound.
The younger generations of wings fans really need to brush up on their history. Look up the dead wings era. The red wings had an era of futility that spanned three decades. And even then, once Stevie Y got drafted it still took about another ten years to really start to enter Stanley cup contender discussions.
Price you pay for being a dynasty
Every team in the league has made the playoffs except for the red wings since Stevie took over.
Is this how Lions fans felt?
I feel like the opening summary of events is wildly over and under stated, only to sort of throw a few graphs at us at the end.
First you want to say everyone assumed we would rebuild quickly. With what? Who assumed that? We had Dylan Larkin in 2015, and that’s it. Our « Core building » resumed in 2019.
The methodology of the yzerplan seems to me very hand-wavy and not in line with the facts. There are lots of mistakes to be sure, but it just doesnt seem like you’re describing reality. The 1st round drafting has been great to be sure, but could it be better? The pro scouting has been mid at best and disastrous at worst. No mention?
There are 3 solid years where Yzerman wasnt GM, and if you’re looking at a 10 year span without playoffs, I think its crucial to visit where we started from, rather than sort of subsuming the debt of no-playoffs right on his shoulders.
its enough to make a man write his own