Je suis un grand fan du grand homme, je ne sais pas pourquoi lui et Bones ne se sont pas connectés, ou si c’était même le problème, mais je vois tellement de messages prêts à l’expédier ou à le radier, et c’est juste déroutant.
Il fait 6’5" attaquant puissant avec de grandes mains qui s’impose dans le camp. En avons-nous un autre ? Il marque des buts en avantage numérique, se bat devant le filet et consomme de l’énergie défensive, ouvrant ainsi de l’espace aux autres. J’accepte qu’un gars qui joue comme ça ne jouera pas plus de 20 minutes tous les soirs. Ajoutez à cela qu’il semble être une présence positive dans le vestiaire et un gars sur lequel vous pouvez compter pour apporter des conséquences, pourquoi ne pas aimer ?
Je dirais qu’un Voronkov en bonne santé et bien utilisé fait facilement partie du top 6 dans presque toutes les équipes et qu’il pourrait facilement être un buteur de plus de 30 buts la saison prochaine.
Je comprends les problèmes de conditionnement et je conviens qu’il a place à l’amélioration. Mais il s’est présenté cette année avec l’air d’avoir pris la mission intersaison au sérieux, et j’espère que nous pourrons le revoir et en meilleure forme le 26/27. Je partage également les inquiétudes en matière de pénalités, c’est un grand homme qui fait des trucs de grand homme, donc il va y avoir des pénalités, mais j’aimerais voir la discipline s’améliorer là-bas.
En fin de compte, j’aime ce qu’il apporte à notre équipe et j’espère qu’il fait partie de notre avenir. Je veux que Vronny qui a frappé Laine si fort qu’il a dû découvrir où allait son bâton soit de retour en force l’année prochaine.
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Breylan
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Im with ya. I like him. I think maybe injuries and the language barrier may have impacted his play time. He has a high ceiling, in my opinion, and needs a coach that will be here for a while.
He, along with others, regressed this year. Before he was out, 1 point in his last 12 games. 32 points on the season but was on limited minutes, much to do with his conditioning as he was worthless in the 3rd periods of games. He’s a serviceable NHL player for sure but definitely not a top 6 guy on a lot of teams
« I get the conditioning issues, and would agree he has room to improve. But he did show up this year looking like he took the offseason assignment seriously, and I hope we get to see him back and in even better shape for 26/27. I also share the penalty concerns, he’s a big man doing big man stuff, so there’s gonna be some penalties, but I would like to see discipline improve there. »
Just because he looked physically good doesn’t mean he was in the shape he needed to be in to make it through a whole season. The CBJ may need to get creative on how they utilize him. I hope he goes to a different trainer this offseason that fits what he needs better
When we are playing well, he can be in front and collect deflection goals When we are not, he looks like he needs to work on his skating and skill play. So he’s one dimensional, and when his line isn’t working, that makes him a scratch. I felt like he was kind of doing what we asked him to do well for a while, but that was not making him a better all around player. We set him up for some limited success, but we did not set him up to improve.
If Alexei Protas can play he is equally there. Would like to see him adapt more to the PWF role and actually chase and hit rather than getting to the front of the net being the entirety of his game.
>I’d argue that a healthy, well utilized Voronkov is easily a top 6 guy on almost any team and that he could easily be 30+ goal scorer next season.
No offense, but he wasn’t a top 6 guy here. And this team ain’t exactly an offensive powerhouse. I think he can be a solid, serviceable middle/bottom 6 player, but that’s it.
Like any hockey player, his production corresponds with his minutes.
This year in his first 38 games he had 16:56 ATOI and scored 13 Gs and 12 As. That’s an 82 game pace of 28 Gs, and 26 As. If that were his performance this year he’d be considered a monster steal. But over his final 25 games he averaged just 11:54 TOI and scored 4 Gs and 3 As while having intermittent healthy scratches. Last year was the same exact story. 20 Gs, 20 As in 53 games with 17:27 ATOI – a better pace than this year. Final 20 games: 3 Gs, 4 As with 15:02 ATOI.
If he gets his ice time he produces. This is supported by his rate metrics where over 3 seasons he has averaged 1.1, 1.1, and 1.2 Goals/60 mins of ice time as well as 1.0, 1.2, 1.0 Assists/60 mins of ice time. He’s very consistent.
There have been questions about his fitness but I honestly don’t buy it. It’s not like after playing 60 games all the sudden you get gassed after 5 shifts. You get in better cardiovascular shape as the season wears on, not worse. Perhaps the injuries pile up on him but at the same time you don’t play 75 games in back to back seasons if you are injury prone.
I think the real problem is the guy doesn’t speak any English and coaches get frustrated that he might make a mistake that they have « coached » him out of but he just doesn’t understand so they start cutting his ice time. I remember when Pascal Vincent’s dumb ass got mad at the Russian line for too much East-West play…as they were producing in bunches. There was the hilarious clip last season from Voronkov not realizing he got thrown out of the game and getting a bench penalty for going back on the ice because the ref only told him.
I think Bones needs to put him on PP1 and have him park his gigantic ass in front of the net. This will up his play minutes and take advantage of his size and strength in the crease. First unit should be Coyle, Fantilli, Marchenko, Voronkov, and Werenski. The only focus should be to get the puck to the net so Voronkov and screen the goalie or score on a rebound. No fancy cross crease tic tac toe bullshit that we haven’t ever been capable of. The milisecond a lane opens the puck is on net and let the big man do big man things.
I would have gladly thrown him in with the first two rounders for Dobson last year.
I would love to have him playing more, but consistency is a real problem. In his three seasons with the team he has 58 goals, 37 even strength, 21 on the power play. If you take away his his power play goals, he’s not doing a lot to help the team. A bigger problem I see though, is that he didn’t play the last 19 games basically, and he still tied for eighth on the team in scoring
He’s one of the better forwards on the team. He had 2.2 points per 60 and only had 127 minutes of PP time. He plays a physical game (6th on the team in hits) and is a highly efficient shooter (5th on the team in shooting percentage.) If you’re into advanced metrics Corsi metrics put him near the top of our team.
Compare this to
Sean Monahan: 1.6 P/60, 151 PP TOI
Kent Johnson: 1.3 P/60, 124 PP TOI
Charlie Coyle: 2.3 P/60 165 PP TOI
Adam Fantilli: 2.3 P/60 213 PP TOI
Outside of Fantilli, Marchenko, Greaves, Werenski, and Mateychuck Voronokov is the next most important piece of this team moving forward.
The problem is he has been given multiple chances to improve his conditioning so he can be an effective player for all 82 games, yet he has repeatedly failed to do so. If you can move him as part of a package for a great player you do it.
omg that’s my pic from Seattle! obsessed
https://preview.redd.it/tpfwx7br2mvg1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=731b8feadb6e74d76aa1e578af524a101a91dcc5
It’s absolutely a fair criticism that his conditioning doesn’t hold up throughout the grind of the season, we’ve got 3 seasons now of his point production falling off a cliff in the second half of the year.
From a skill standpoint, he may be a bit of a net front/power play merchant, but if you can get 20+ goals as a net front/power play merchant when that’s a role no one else on our team can really fulfill, I’ve got no problem with that. He’s not awesome defensively but his size is enough to make him not a liability (when the conditioning issue isn’t making him a snail on skates). Unnecessary penalties are an issue as well.
Someone on the coaching staff needs to get though to him, because we badly need his offensive production in the top 6. Fix the conditioning and that’s a 30 goal player
I’ll disagree and say he’s a 6’5 forward, there isn’t much power to his game, he passes up more checks than he finishes. What i wouldn’t do to channel an inner svitov in him. He’s worth it as a mean power forward, he’s a basic 2nd 3rd line liner without it
https://www.nhl.com/nhl-edge/skaters/dmitri-voronkov-8481716/20252026/2/skating-speed
He’s one of the slowest forwards in the league. You can’t play in the NHL the way it is played now and be successful as an extremely slow player. There are very few who are able to do it. He doesn’t have an insane iq in terms of spatial awareness to make up for it. He’s not good unless he’s with Marchy and Marchy is doing all the work around the ice to make up for how slow he is. He’s not an NHL caliber player.
For a guy that big, he should be a sunufabitch to play against—and he’s not. Doesn’t use his size particularly well. One trick pony. Good with tips. Thats it. I just don’t get him. He could be so much more.
I like the guy. I would love to see him thrive. But this is multiple years and multiple coaches that seem to see the same issue. He needs to do better, and if he can’t then someone else will. But a fitz healthy vronk makes the team better.
Conditioning should be a top priority for the whole team this offseason
If we scratched voronkov until the second half would we still get that same level of production in his first 30 or so games?
I’ve heard that if marchy isn’t on his line or is injured he doesn’t play where he needs to be or correct things in game because of the language gap. Basically playing with one hand behind his back
Love big boss. Just want him to keep his twig on the ice lol